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Post by doug61 on Jun 16, 2021 12:45:36 GMT
France won't even have to get out of second gear to win this tournament. Can only see Belgium offering any serious challenge. France, Belgium and us are the most likely to win it if you go by squad strength, but once you get to the knock out stages luck plays a big part. Germany must have their worst squad of players this century.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 16, 2021 15:36:23 GMT
Yeah. Luck is massive. Fine margins. Injuries, a defensive mix up, a freak deflection etc.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 16, 2021 15:49:42 GMT
I think you have problems dischphering your own language. I don't follow any of the teams in this tournament so it IS about entertainment for me. Whether that results in a good game or a bad game is just your luck. The reason most England fans don't really enjoy these tournaments is because of their obsession in winning it. People obsessing so much that it supersedes anything even their own mental health🤣 I approach it less narrow mindedly. And just for your information, if you think Netflix is entertaining you clearly don't watch it! Never actually met an English football fan who obsesses on winning any tournament. That's for the casuals and the media. I would rather My club side win any game of next season than England win the Euros.Nice if we do but club comes way before country for 99% of fans. Totally agree Doug What's more, England may be synonymous with disappointment and underachievement but we can turn out a good anthem from time to time... New Order - World In Motion#banger
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Post by personunknown on Jun 16, 2021 17:58:40 GMT
Bale blazes wildly over from the penalty spot then in the last minute goes past three Turks on the goal line to set up Roberts for a tap in. Roy of the Rovers stuff, magnificent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 18:36:42 GMT
I think you have problems dischphering your own language. I don't follow any of the teams in this tournament so it IS about entertainment for me. Whether that results in a good game or a bad game is just your luck. The reason most England fans don't really enjoy these tournaments is because of their obsession in winning it. People obsessing so much that it supersedes anything even their own mental health🤣 I approach it less narrow mindedly. And just for your information, if you think Netflix is entertaining you clearly don't watch it! Never actually met an English football fan who obsesses on winning any tournament. That's for the casuals and the media. I would rather My club side win any game of next season than England win the Euros.Nice if we do but club comes way before country for 99% of fans. You can't have met many England fans! I mean, look at the reaction on here when even the mere suggestion of England being in the 2nd tier of world football is met with scorn. I mean, this is a team who have won ONE tournament in 55 years and have never reached a final either since then. Sure the media are the worse exponents of it but they only egg on what's already there. I've never seen such a desperate bunch of obsessives actually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 18:38:56 GMT
Never actually met an English football fan who obsesses on winning any tournament. That's for the casuals and the media. I would rather My club side win any game of next season than England win the Euros.Nice if we do but club comes way before country for 99% of fans. Totally agree Doug What's more, England may be synonymous with disappointment and underachievement but we can turn out a good anthem from time to time... New Order - World In Motion#banger The reality is this. For what they claim to be or aspire to they are serial losers. As well as being exceptionally bad losers, but losers nonetheless.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 17, 2021 5:58:20 GMT
People see what they want to see and what people want to see never has anything to do with the truth
– Roberto Bolano
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 17, 2021 7:04:03 GMT
Are we all aboard the Italy hype train? Even though they've not played anyone good their shape and movement look great. Mancini has enhanced his CV with how they look and play. Be interesting to see how they progress.
Wales all but through to the last 16 too. Magnificent performance. Bale and Ramsey are different class.
Switzerland and Turkey on the other hand. What's the point in Switzerland? Always qualify, always do nothing of note. Turkey have been woeful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 7:21:12 GMT
People see what they want to see and what people want to see never has anything to do with the truth
– Roberto Bolano The irony of that statement seems to be lost on some! There is only ONE truth. Tournaments won-1 Finals Reached-1 In 55 years. Would you dispute this truth? However, if England play well and win. I'll be the first to say so as it's only fair. Beyond hype and the right wing patriotism of the England support there is football after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 7:23:21 GMT
Are we all aboard the Italy hype train? Even though they've not played anyone good their shape and movement look great. Mancini has enhanced his CV with how they look and play. Be interesting to see how they progress. Wales all but through to the last 16 too. Magnificent performance. Bale and Ramsey are different class. Switzerland and Turkey on the other hand. What's the point in Switzerland? Always qualify, always do nothing of note. Turkey have been woeful. Italians looking good, Wales too. If only we could shut Robbie Savage up.....
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Post by Mungo Jerry on Jun 17, 2021 7:44:55 GMT
I doubt anyone here disputes England's record
How many really care either?
Doug's correct
Don't believe the media obsession. Your average club supporter doesn't give a monkeys
Very much in the "nice to have" category
Which seems to be what everyone here is saying too
England are a bit shit
Fact
No arguments
Every now and again a decent crop of players come along. Like now. There might be a chance. Probably not.
I'm more interested in The Chairboys and whether they can hold onto Gareth Ainsworth
Not all England fans are patriotic idiots (no surrender etc) it's just they are the ones who make a spectacle of themselves and who the media highlight. Embarrassing for the majority
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 8:28:48 GMT
I don't know who you're trying to convince...me or yourself.
I suspect it's the latter👍
Ah the 'tiny minority are patriots' argument.🤣
Most other fans see it differently and they've got every right to.
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Post by Mungo Jerry on Jun 17, 2021 8:58:26 GMT
Depends what you mean by patriots
What do you mean?
How many England matches have you attended?
You clearly have a strong anti-England agenda which comes through on your posts on this forum. I've seen it in other threads too. Fine, we all have our prejudices but yours seems to be stronger than many and indicates a lack of self awareness. You will probably come back with some nonsense but I think most people here realise where you are coming from
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 9:29:49 GMT
Depends what you mean by patriots What do you mean? How many England matches have you attended? You clearly have a strong anti-England agenda which comes through on your posts on this forum. I've seen it in other threads too. Fine, we all have our prejudices but yours seems to be stronger than many and indicates a lack of self awareness. You will probably come back with some nonsense but I think most people here realise where you are coming from I thought we were talking about football. Patriots-right wing, flag waving, pro Brexit bigots who hate anyone who isn't English. Because I oppose right wing English bigots doesn't make me anti English. That isn't a prejudice, it's making a stand against bigots and racists. Lots of English people oppose them too. I find your sanctimonious psycho analysis hilarious🤣. Still, if it makes you feel better because I dared to criticise your football team, go right ahead. By the way, I've seen dozens of Scotland/Ireland v England games from the 70's onwards. You've probably seen more on YouTube👍
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Post by doug61 on Jun 17, 2021 13:19:19 GMT
Never actually met an English football fan who obsesses on winning any tournament. That's for the casuals and the media. I would rather My club side win any game of next season than England win the Euros.Nice if we do but club comes way before country for 99% of fans. You can't have met many England fans! I mean, look at the reaction on here when even the mere suggestion of England being in the 2nd tier of world football is met with scorn. I mean, this is a team who have won ONE tournament in 55 years and have never reached a final either since then. Sure the media are the worse exponents of it but they only egg on what's already there. I've never seen such a desperate bunch of obsessives actually. Well, You do seem to have a bit of a downer on England so you may be a bit biased? England are certainly in the second tier of "bottle" and being psychologically able to win tournaments but from a purely talent viewpoint and going on FIFA rankings, positions we do reach in competitions then England are pretty consistently in the top 8 of the world. The French are the best at present and after that Italy, Belgium and England are certainly the best sides in Europe as I think you would admit if you were being honest.
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