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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 9:49:56 GMT
Shockingly apathetic display by England. There is zero game plan in our performances. Gareth seems to just think that having superior players and passing it around non stop will suddenly make chances appear, the "be patient" approach taken beyond all meaning. The number of square or back passes was frankly embarrassing and I am not sure Scotland will get a better chance of getting a win than they did last night. Everyone in the country apart from Southgate thought that Grealish should have started and when he was finally bought on who was taken off? Foden was was magnificent in the amount of ground he covered trying to make something happen. Hope Scotland qualify but I would worry about the quality of finishing were I a supporter. A France or Belgium would have got half a dozen past us last night. I think the square passing and 'be patient's attitude is symptomatic of the modern game. The much vaunted Grealish didn't impress either on this showing. Scotland need a killer striker and Leigh Griffiths should have been in the team. Clarke is too conservative for me and Dykes is fucking hopeless. He's lucky if he gets once chance in ANY game.
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Post by Mungo Jerry on Jun 19, 2021 9:52:03 GMT
Yes. Southgate is ultra cautious. No suprise that he never cut it at club level.
Last night's dour display was so frustrating. England's patterns don't change. Southgate only knows one way of playing.
Last night's game was crying out for Grealish and he should have started.
England were insipid, passive and lacked any cutting edge.
Another tournament and, I suspect, another missed opportunity for these players to show what they can do.
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Post by personunknown on Jun 19, 2021 9:53:29 GMT
Rice and Phillips are both defensive holding midfield players, why play both against an inferior team? Sacrificing one of them for the in form Saka would have given England more attacking options. And everybody and his dog knows that Calvert Lewin should start against the Czechs but Southgate won't take the big decision and drop Kane.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 9:54:09 GMT
Yes. Agree with everything you've posted there Doug Rogue, I mentioned Southgate's limitations on this discussion before the tournament (see first page of the discussion). I have never been convinced by him. Too conservative and one dimensional England should have beaten Croatia in the semi in Russia - they'd still most likely have lost to France in the final but Croatia were there for the taking, especially with England going one up As also said, I'm not fussed about the national team but it does frustrate me watching a team who have so much talent not being well managed With five subs Southgate has so much leaway. I'd like to have seen Sancho and Saka come on too. Kane should have come off much earlier, arguably he should not even have played given he looked like he was running through treacle. It was a general point and not directed you specifically LE. I think that players are sometimes constrained by the rigid ideas of modern managers. Clarke is the same, so was Lennon at Celtic. I mean it wouldn't surprise me if Scotland didn't score in the competition but this is lost on Clarke. I wonder what's up with Kane?Considering his reputation you would expect him to perform on this sort of stage.
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Post by doug61 on Jun 19, 2021 9:59:49 GMT
Yes. Agree with everything you've posted there Doug Rogue, I mentioned Southgate's limitations on this discussion before the tournament (see first page of the discussion). I have never been convinced by him. Too conservative and one dimensional England should have beaten Croatia in the semi in Russia - they'd still most likely have lost to France in the final but Croatia were there for the taking, especially with England going one up As also said, I'm not fussed about the national team but it does frustrate me watching a team who have so much talent not being well managed With five subs Southgate has so much leaway. I'd like to have seen Sancho and Saka come on too. Kane should have come off much earlier, arguably he should not even have played given he looked like he was running through treacle. Southgate is the FA's man and always will be. A humourless mandarin type who fits all their wants but is just not up for the job. Remember in Ray Parlour's biography he talks about meeting him at Middlesborough and Southgate insisting after being made manager from the ranks that the players must call him "Boss" or "Gov" from then on. Parlour asked "what about big nose?". He was never selected again. To be fair to Kane he just wasn't getting any supply and having to go deeper and deeper to try and make something happen. Too many big names looking like individuals rather than a team.
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Post by doug61 on Jun 19, 2021 10:02:25 GMT
Shockingly apathetic display by England. There is zero game plan in our performances. Gareth seems to just think that having superior players and passing it around non stop will suddenly make chances appear, the "be patient" approach taken beyond all meaning. The number of square or back passes was frankly embarrassing and I am not sure Scotland will get a better chance of getting a win than they did last night. Everyone in the country apart from Southgate thought that Grealish should have started and when he was finally bought on who was taken off? Foden was was magnificent in the amount of ground he covered trying to make something happen. Hope Scotland qualify but I would worry about the quality of finishing were I a supporter. A France or Belgium would have got half a dozen past us last night. I think the square passing and 'be patient's attitude is symptomatic of the modern game. The much vaunted Grealish didn't impress either on this showing. Scotland need a killer striker and Leigh Griffiths should have been in the team. Clarke is too conservative for me and Dykes is fucking hopeless. He's lucky if he gets once chance in ANY game. With Robertson in the side a great striker would get at least 3 great chances a game. If he could get into the right positions.
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Post by Billy Idle on Jun 19, 2021 10:02:51 GMT
Southgate has built the team around Kane as the spearhead. When he doesn't get the ball he drops deep and plays a sort of dual role. It doesn't work. I think Southgate will stick with Kane despite what we can all see. It's not working. What's up with him? Tiredness and maybe those injuries are catching up for him. Hard to see anyone paying £100 million for him after this tournament. Shame, at his best he is superb and consistently tops scoring and, recently, assist charts.
Good news for Spurs fans I suppose.
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Post by doug61 on Jun 19, 2021 10:11:44 GMT
"We were too frantic and not patient in the right areas of the field," Southgate told BBC Sport.
...Fucking hell, that was "frantic" and not "patient"?, can't wait for the next thrill fest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 10:11:56 GMT
I think the square passing and 'be patient's attitude is symptomatic of the modern game. The much vaunted Grealish didn't impress either on this showing. Scotland need a killer striker and Leigh Griffiths should have been in the team. Clarke is too conservative for me and Dykes is fucking hopeless. He's lucky if he gets once chance in ANY game. With Robertson in the side a great striker would get at least 3 great chances a game. If he could get into the right positions. Robertson had a good game but I prefer Tierney ahead of him. Historically, the'Anglo' Scots don't perform as good for their country as they do for their clubs but Robertson was top notch defensively last night. Clarkes game plan to was use as many Anglo Scot's as possible to create a club match climate. It worked for him but they're too toothless. Kane was so disappointing. I said this in the first game and expected him to punish Scotland but being so bad twice just doesn't seem like a coincidence. However, it's still early days.
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Post by doug61 on Jun 19, 2021 10:12:56 GMT
Southgate has built the team around Kane as the spearhead. When he doesn't get the ball he drops deep and plays a sort of dual role. It doesn't work. I think Southgate will stick with Kane despite what we can all see. It's not working. What's up with him? Tiredness and maybe those injuries are catching up for him. Hard to see anyone paying £100 million for him after this tournament. Shame, at his best he is superb and consistently tops scoring and, recently, assist charts. Good news for Spurs fans I suppose. At Spurs you have Son and they give each other so many assists which makes all the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 10:13:27 GMT
Southgate has built the team around Kane as the spearhead. When he doesn't get the ball he drops deep and plays a sort of dual role. It doesn't work. I think Southgate will stick with Kane despite what we can all see. It's not working. What's up with him? Tiredness and maybe those injuries are catching up for him. Hard to see anyone paying £100 million for him after this tournament. Shame, at his best he is superb and consistently tops scoring and, recently, assist charts. Good news for Spurs fans I suppose. For me professional footballers shouldn't be'tired'. It's a disgraceful excuse and is all too prevalent in the modern game.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 19, 2021 11:40:29 GMT
Southgate is the FA's man and always will be. A humourless mandarin type who fits all their wants but is just not up for the job. Remember in Ray Parlour's biography he talks about meeting him at Middlesborough and Southgate insisting after being made manager from the ranks that the players must call him "Boss" or "Gov" from then on. Parlour asked "what about big nose?". He was never selected again
Ah yes. The Romford Pele. Ray was a joker but GS couldn't see the funny side Appaently they had got on really well before that. As you say humourless.
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Post by Mungo Jerry on Jun 19, 2021 11:58:26 GMT
Southgate is playing the long game
You've got Big Nose all wrong
He knows that if England don't finish top they most likely avoid having to play France, Germany or Portugal. At least until the final
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Post by Mungo Jerry on Jun 19, 2021 13:49:23 GMT
Football. Bloody hell.
Hungary under the cosh for the whole of the first half and then, right at the end, they only go and score with a breakaway
Love it
A full Puskás Aréna errupts
Can they hold on ?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 19, 2021 13:55:07 GMT
Flipping great. France were playing brilliantly and it looked like only a matter of time. Can't see Hungary hanging on in the second half but you never know with that home crowd roaring them on
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