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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 27, 2021 7:31:35 GMT
Wales never really got going apart from the first 20 minutes or so
Austria made life very difficult for Italy - didn't watch that one though, thought it would be quite attritional
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Post by Billy Idle on Jun 27, 2021 8:35:43 GMT
Two words:
Belgium Portugal
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Post by Django Cherry on Jun 27, 2021 10:12:03 GMT
Denmark really building up a head of steam
It's getting intriguing
Next round should be really interesting
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Post by personunknown on Jun 27, 2021 19:18:45 GMT
The Dutch were pretty lifeless against a workmanlike Czech team and after the sending off, there was only going to be one winner.
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Post by stu77 on Jun 27, 2021 22:23:00 GMT
What did Belgium do apart from the one flash of brilliance?
Still fuck Portugal for injuring KdB, no matter how unlucky they were.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 7:19:40 GMT
I thought the Belgium v Portugal game was one of the most turgid of the tournament so far, especially in the first half.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 28, 2021 10:06:37 GMT
Expect to see plenty more turgid games now the stakes are higher
As you suggest earlier in the discussion, all that matters is winning. No prizes for playing expansive football and getting picked off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 11:39:24 GMT
Not necessarily.
That game was turgid.
I mean England were turgid in the group stages but the likes of Denmark have came onto a game.
It just depends on the mentality of the teams themselves.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 28, 2021 12:19:11 GMT
Early goals can open out a game so the other team has to attack but more often than not these games are cagey affairs.
When Portugal won Euro 2016 they were dour, defensive and boring. Probably the worst champions in history.
Do they care? Not a bit
Plus they finished third in their group, collecting three draws, and only won one game in 90 minutes (against Wales).
They actually had a better squad in 2021 than in 2016. That's the way it goes. The best teams don't always get their just desserts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 12:49:14 GMT
Personally, as a neutral. I'd like to see a more free flowing type of gameplan from managers.
You can quote stats from the past but nothing excuses cagey football.
I mean the game tomorrow for example. It's ripe for an expansive match π
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 28, 2021 12:59:27 GMT
As neutrals we all want to see end to end football - a 4-3 thriller or such like
You would rather Celtic sneak a one nil against Rangers with Rangers having 75% possession and having 10 shots on target to Celtic's one than the same scenario in reverse
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 13:43:58 GMT
No, I'd rather see Celtic beat the huns by at least 5 clear goals every time.
If you're a neutral with no particular affinity to any team surely you want to see good football?
I mean if we follow your train of thought to it's logical conclusion it's like anticipating the new New Order release -you want to enjoy it but you know it's going to be utter garbage because they always areπ
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 28, 2021 13:53:32 GMT
We're in complete agreement
As a neutral you want entertainment
As a fan you want entertainment - and winning football
BUT, as a fan, you'd also usual prefer to scrape a win than completely outplay an opponent but still lose - especially if that's a big rival
My original point is that as EURO 2021 progresses we are less likely to see open expansive football unless one team scores early
England are a case in point. They have some of the best attacking players in the tournament yet Southgate has set the team up to be controlled and not to concede goals. Personally I'd rather see them being a bit more attacking but I understand his decision making. If it results in going deep into the tournament then he is vindicated.
TO BE CLEAR - I am not saying I like watching attritional football.
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Post by Billy Idle on Jun 28, 2021 16:08:47 GMT
Weren't you slagging off England for not being winners before?
Now winning is not enough and you demand entertainment
Make your mind up
As it says above, Portugal were rubbish in 2016 but still won it. Most fans would be happier with that than being the entertaining losers
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 28, 2021 17:10:46 GMT
Spain score one of the great own goals
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