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Post by politician2 on Jun 16, 2022 18:25:41 GMT
Your last comment is telling. Presumably white people deliver'safer streets' and 'fewer social problems'. Statistically, yes, compared to certain other groups – notably Caribbeans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 18:30:41 GMT
The problem with your supposed data is that it's similar to anecdotal evidence insofar it's a relative snapshot of a particular time. However, again the central point is this :why would I disbelieve my 3 colleagues?They are hardly an exception to to the rule. Incidently, two lived in Canning Town and the other in Stepney. Ask any black person and you'll get the truth. But their evidence is anecdotal too. They don't speak for all black people. As for "asking any black person", I'll happily ask Bim. But I don't think you'll like his answer. It isn't 'evidence'. It's a an everyday experience for people of colour to experience racism of all extremities, unless you're trying to suggest that they don't. My point is that my 3 colleagues all lived under the apartheid regime and all agreed that where they lived in London was shockingly bad. You give ONE example. Is the same person who gets called a racial slur as a 'pet name' by you and your white chums? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 18:32:03 GMT
Your last comment is telling. Presumably white people deliver'safer streets' and 'fewer social problems'. Statistically, yes, compared to certain other groups – notably Caribbeans. Ok Politician, tell me if this statistic applies to say, the Possilpark area of Glasgow? |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 16, 2022 18:37:09 GMT
But their evidence is anecdotal too. They don't speak for all black people. As for "asking any black person", I'll happily ask Bim. But I don't think you'll like his answer. It isn't 'evidence'. It's a an everyday experience for people of colour to experience racism of all extremities, unless you're trying to suggest that they don't. My point is that my 3 colleagues all lived under the apartheid regime and all agreed that where they lived in London was shockingly bad. You give ONE example. Is the same person who gets called a racial slur as a 'pet name' by you and your white chums? I'm not suggesting that they do or don't. I'm suggesting that you're trying to apply the specific – three people who've told you they've experienced a high level of racism – to the general. That makes about as much sense as suggesting that Bim speaks for all black people. As for your final sentence, it doesn't make sense: are you asking whether white people who know Bim subject him to racial slurs? He's never mentioned it if they do. |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 16, 2022 18:37:55 GMT
Ok Politician, tell me if this statistic applies to say, the Possilpark area of Glasgow? How would I know? I've never been there. I have no idea what the crime levels are in Possilpark. I have no idea what the racial mix is, either. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 16, 2022 18:42:03 GMT
Of course you wouldn't get English racists running amok abroad A fair point Rogue That was nearly 30 years ago and, crucially, is not a feature of any home games Contrast that with what we have seen time and time again in the Puskás Arena from the home fans in the last few years - it's chalk and cheese |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 18:42:16 GMT
Ok Politician, tell me if this statistic applies to say, the Possilpark area of Glasgow? How would I know? I've never been there. I have no idea what the crime levels are in Possilpark. I have no idea what the racial mix is, either. Well, you're quite happy to give 'statistics' for other areas to prove your point, why not there? I'm sure a man of your Intelligence with your leisure time can provide some? Also, I'm curious as to know your feelings on the other points I made in that post. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 18:44:40 GMT
Of course you wouldn't get English racists running amok abroad A fair point Rogue That was nearly 30 years ago and, crucially, is not a feature of any home games Contrast that with what we have seen time and time again in the Puskás Arena from the home fans in the last few years - it's chalk and cheese It was only 30 years ago so that's OK then. Whose excusing Eastern European fascists? Look at the huns here in Glasgow. Pro British, right wing, running amok in Manchester and Glasgow twice. My point is that the England support is full of racists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 18:48:03 GMT
It isn't 'evidence'. It's a an everyday experience for people of colour to experience racism of all extremities, unless you're trying to suggest that they don't. My point is that my 3 colleagues all lived under the apartheid regime and all agreed that where they lived in London was shockingly bad. You give ONE example. Is the same person who gets called a racial slur as a 'pet name' by you and your white chums? I'm not suggesting that they do or don't. I'm suggesting that you're trying to apply the specific – three people who've told you they've experienced a high level of racism – to the general. That makes about as much sense as suggesting that Bim speaks for all black people. As for your final sentence, it doesn't make sense: are you asking whether white people who know Bim subject him to racial slurs? He's never mentioned it if they do. I would say the experience of my 3 colleagues is pretty representative of the racism that black people experience everyday. Are you denying that most black people don't experience racism everyday? As for your friend? That was a question. Isn't he the person you refer to as 'The P###'? |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 16, 2022 18:50:00 GMT
Are you denying that most black people don't experience racism everyday? That sounds pretty unlikely to me As I say above, most British people from ethnic minorities have most likely experienced some form of racism - but every day?! No one is gonna argue that Britain doesn't have issues to solve BUT we have made massive strides in my lifetime The key question is not whether Britain has racists The key question is, based on your assertion, is Britain one of the two most racist countries in the world? The idea seems laughable to me Is your answer still yes? If it is, what is your evidence? You may dismiss the various pieces of research I have posted but at least I am attempting to answer that question and provide objective supporting evidence All that evidence suggests that Britain is nowhere near to being the most racist or second most racist country in the world. Probably why it is still a place many refugees seek refuge and safety. Shame we cannot be more welcoming eh? I am sure that is how the vast majority of people here would like us to act. The last thing people fleeing oppression and torture need is the bullshit they get when they finally arrive here. |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 16, 2022 18:50:44 GMT
Well, you're quite happy to give 'statistics' for other areas to prove your point, why not there? I'm sure a man of your Intelligence with your leisure time can provide some? Also, I'm curious as to know your feelings on the other points I made in that post. I'm quite happy to argue on the basis of statistics that I can find. If you really want me to research crime levels and ethnicity in Possilpark, I'll have a go, but is there really a point? As for the other issues you raised in your earlier post: I never used the phrase "British ethnicity". You did, so it's for you to tell me "what the fuck" it is or is not. As for being on a street full of immigrants, probably the last time I was in London. Douglas is relatively diverse, but I wouldn't say the streets are "full of" minorities. |
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Post by zeopold on Jun 16, 2022 19:31:01 GMT
Well, you're quite happy to give 'statistics' for other areas to prove your point, why not there? Douglas is relatively diverse I doubt it could be considered a 'melting pot', but credit where it's due: the IoM has let at least one dark-skinned tax cheat in that we know of, so it's progress of sorts. It wasn't that long ago they were flogging people and locking gays up. |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 16, 2022 19:38:35 GMT
It wasn't that long ago they were flogging people and locking gays up. 1976 and 1992 respectively, so it's been quite a while. |
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Post by zeopold on Jun 16, 2022 19:44:20 GMT
It wasn't that long ago they were flogging people and locking gays up. 1976 and 1992 respectively, so it's been quite a while. ...and they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling ECHR  |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 16, 2022 19:50:42 GMT
...and they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling ECHR  Just like the Rwanda deportation flight, then! |
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