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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 21, 2023 6:15:58 GMT
The new regulations have been widely publicised and debated in the media. It's not as though they have been sneaked in without anyone noticing. And yet a quarter of people are unaware And who do these changes benefit? A cynical move by a Govt all out of ideas who know their time is up And here, the voice of experience... The process of receiving a ballot paper and those working on behalf of the councils, know their jobs, what it entails and its importance. It would take a very brave group of individuals to attempt to impersonate someone for the benefit of a few votes which are unlikely to have an impact on the final result. The introduction of voter ID is unnecessary, and a way of disenfranchising a sizeable proportion of the electorate.& Thanks wardance And how would the vote riggers know who to impersonate? None of it makes sense A cynical move by a Govt all out of ideas who know their time is up |
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Post by zeopold on Apr 21, 2023 9:44:00 GMT
The tories should cut to the chase and determine voter eligibility with a simple questionnaire, eg:
- Do you believe that public services should be funded through taxation?
- Should private businesses be subject to any form of checks and balances?
- Do you accept minorities?
Job done!
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Post by politician2 on Apr 21, 2023 10:03:56 GMT
A cynical move by a Govt all out of ideas who know their time is up A cynical move by a Govt all out of ideas who know their time is up Repeating the same statement may be a useful rhetorical device, but it doesn't make your statement any more tenable. This is merely the closing of a loophole, which was bound to happen at some point, under some government (not necessarily Conservative). (Whether that loophole urgently needed to be closed is an entirely different matter.) And the fact remains that the vast majority of people will have some form of photo ID to show – passport, driving licence, bus pass, railcard or season ticket, student union card, proof of age card to buy alcohol, etc., etc. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 21, 2023 10:16:06 GMT
So your position is that this is a real issue?
And that the reason for implementing this is NOTHING to do with voter supression?
You may be far to the right of most people here but I never thought you were a fool
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Post by politician2 on Apr 21, 2023 10:19:25 GMT
So your position is that this is a real issue? And that the reason for implementing this is NOTHING to do with voter supression? You may be far to the right of most people here but I never thought you were a fool My position is that it's potentially a real issue and has already caused significant problems in one constituency (Tower Hamlets). And no, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory that it's some kind of attempt to rig elections – it's the closing of a loophole that was bound to happen at some point. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 21, 2023 10:27:35 GMT
Conspiracy theory, that's a good one
It's far more blatant than a conspiracy theory - it's all in plain sight
Anything is "potentially" an issue - you're in the realms of thought crime
If the Electoral Commission are confident any issues are miniscule that's all anyone need to know
And, as has been pointed out, the practical issues are far too problematic to realistically be able to rig an election
Disappointed in your refusal to accept what is in front of your face
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Post by politician2 on Apr 21, 2023 10:30:24 GMT
What I will add is that – whilst I think closing this loophole is no bad thing – that it is incumbent on the government to communicate the changes to the whole electorate.
If they have failed to do this, there could be ugly scenes at polling stations, up to and including riots, which would not be a good look for democracy.
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Apr 21, 2023 11:16:13 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 21, 2023 11:16:13 GMT
And, for example, allow student cards or over 18 ID
As it is anyone young without a driving licence or passport has to apply for a special ID
Digressing, one of the reasons migrants are attracted to the UK is that we are one of the few European countries not to have a national ID scheme. It’s much harder to disappear into the population in those countries with national ID cards
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Post by politician2 on Apr 21, 2023 11:27:22 GMT
And, for example, allow student cards or over 18 ID As it is anyone young without a driving licence or passport has to apply for a special ID Hmm. You're right – they don't appear to accept student ID cards or certain types of season ticket. That changes my opinion somewhat. |
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Apr 21, 2023 11:45:40 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 21, 2023 11:45:40 GMT
Finally
Voter. Suppression.
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Post by politician2 on Apr 21, 2023 11:50:19 GMT
Finally Voter. Suppression. No, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm a great believer that one should never ascribe to malice that which can be ascribed to incompetence. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 21, 2023 15:06:50 GMT
We were so close
For sure it's an incompetent Govt, which is why everything is falling apart around our ears but it's also run by a party who have done many outrageous things in their time in office. Voter supression is small beer for this lot
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Post by zeopold on Apr 21, 2023 15:31:56 GMT
not be a good look for democracy. A bit like changing the rules so your lot get in. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 25, 2023 7:50:48 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 16, 2023 11:06:10 GMT
So your position is that this is a real issue? And that the reason for implementing this is NOTHING to do with voter supression? You may be far to the right of most people here but I never thought you were a fool Jacob Rees Mogg has now admitted it was an attempt at gerrymandering by the Govt |
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