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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 5, 2020 14:00:30 GMT
What do you think of The Heartbreakers?
Arguably they infected UK punk with rock n roll cliches not least a smack habit
On the other hand Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (both ex New York Dolls) were a direct link with a hugely influential proto-punk/glam outfit and were an impressive live experience
LAMF is a punk classic
Predictably Thunders and Nolan are no longer with us
Remember them this way...
The Heartbreakers - Get Off The Phone
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Post by personunknown on Aug 5, 2020 14:29:57 GMT
Billy Rath is also no longer with us but more natural causes than smack. Walter Lure became a stockbroker!
Love LAMF, critics said the album had a muddied production, sounded fine to me. There is a cleaned up version also apparently, never come across it. I once read a bio on Thunders but couldn't finish it, his out of control downward descent just made me angry that someone so talented could fuck up so badly. Still that goes with territory, I suppose.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 5, 2020 14:32:43 GMT
Agreed PU. Never was a man more adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
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Post by zeopold on Aug 5, 2020 17:44:40 GMT
Thunders was a junkie waster. I regretted getting 'Chinese Rocks' when it came out; mediocre and disappointing.
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Post by personunknown on Aug 5, 2020 17:53:05 GMT
I thought this was a love song first time I heard it.
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Post by andyloneshark on Aug 5, 2020 18:15:47 GMT
The Hearbreakers were one of the greatest Rock'n'Roll bands ever. L.A.M.F. is such a superb record, i ended up buying it THREE times
The original 'Muddy Mix' ..The Tony James Remix from 1984 ...and 'The Lost '77 Mixes' from 1994.
Quite a few classic albums were mired by bad mixing: Raw Power and the 2 albums by The Dead Boys for example.
D.T.K. Live At The Speakeasy Lp shows what an incendiary band they were live too.
My friend Tim Purr has often said to me that after seeing The Heartbreakers live in 1977, every gig he went to after that was something of a disappointment.
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Post by johnnyoi on Aug 6, 2020 15:55:40 GMT
With one foot in Punk and the other in Rock n Roll they were definitely my type of band.It wasn't just Johnny Thunders and his backing band though,Walter Lure had a big hand in it,singing & writing some of the songs on LAMF.Also holding the band together on stage when Johnny was out of his head.
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Post by johnnyoi on Aug 6, 2020 15:59:27 GMT
The Hearbreakers were one of the greatest Rock'n'Roll bands ever. L.A.M.F. is such a superb record, i ended up buying it THREE times The original 'Muddy Mix' ..The Tony James Remix from 1984 ...and 'The Lost '77 Mixes' from 1994. Quite a few classic albums were mired by bad mixing: Raw Power and the 2 albums by The Dead Boys for example. D.T.K. Live At The Speakeasy Lp shows what an incendiary band they were live too. My friend Tim Purr has often said to me that after seeing The Heartbreakers live in 1977, every gig he went to after that was something of a disappointment. Which LAMF mix do you think is the best? Is there that much difference? I've only got the original. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 6, 2020 16:22:53 GMT
Andy is the expert but, for what it's worth, I had the original album on vinyl when it first came out and I've now got the Lost 77 Mixes on CD. I can't hear much of a difference but the 77 lost mixes are definitely a bit crisper and less muddy
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Post by andyloneshark on Aug 6, 2020 16:27:05 GMT
...i reckon "The Lost '77 Mixes" is the best i reckon, although Tony James did a pretty good job with it 10 years before.
A vast improvement on the original mixes. No wonder Jerry Nolan left the band when he heard that.
Even on crappy YouTube you can hear the how much better this is over the original mix...
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Post by doug61 on Feb 14, 2021 14:51:59 GMT
The Hearbreakers were one of the greatest Rock'n'Roll bands ever. L.A.M.F. is such a superb record, i ended up buying it THREE times The original 'Muddy Mix' ..The Tony James Remix from 1984 ...and 'The Lost '77 Mixes' from 1994. Quite a few classic albums were mired by bad mixing: Raw Power and the 2 albums by The Dead Boys for example. D.T.K. Live At The Speakeasy Lp shows what an incendiary band they were live too. My friend Tim Purr has often said to me that after seeing The Heartbreakers live in 1977, every gig he went to after that was something of a disappointment. Best ever mix I found was the cassette mix which was different from the others. Johnny is the artist I have seen most in my life (about 30 times?) and was certainly a mixed bag as to which Johnny would turn up. He needed to be just off "the nod" when he was alert and at his best, but too often he would either be off his head or at least playing that part. Number of times I'd turn up at The Marquee" to find a sign saying "Johnny Thunders is unwell, gig cancelled". |
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Post by andyloneshark on Feb 14, 2021 19:14:26 GMT
I didn't see J.T. many times... i consider myself lucky, that he was definately 'on form' when i did.
Never got to see The Heartbreakers through... their first gig at The Roxy is the stuff of legend.
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Post by doug61 on Feb 18, 2021 11:29:03 GMT
How Johnny should be remembered, so many terrible bits of footage around the web when he's out of it. Here he is with Killer and Nolan at the very top of his powers. Watch the whole gig, it's a stonker.....
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Post by johnnyoi on Mar 5, 2021 13:58:08 GMT
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Post by johnnyoi on Apr 7, 2021 17:36:04 GMT
Just came across this.First recordings by the Hearbreakers.Richard Hell on bass.
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