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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 2, 2020 12:00:25 GMT
Of course... the elephant in room regarding The greatest pop punk groups debate is Green Day. Just the mention of their name as guaranteed to get the 'Over 50s Punks' cursing and spitting, waving their zimmer frames in the air and muttering about them being a 'Boy Band' without knowing anything about their history and the scene they were very much part of. As a Punk Rock obssesso, i picked up on them right from when they released their first 4 track e.p. in 1989. The pressing i have of it was only 200 copies. I had no idea that 5 years later they would become one of the biggest bands on the planet. What better excuse for a Green Day thread? Which of their singles or albums, or indeed songs, would you particularly recommend? I've got American Idiot which is good but don't know much about them to be honest Dookie seemed to be the release which elevated them into the stratosphere
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Post by andyloneshark on Oct 2, 2020 12:07:50 GMT
I bought their first two e.p.'s and their first two albums on Lookout Records between 1989-1991 Dookie being the last album i bought on vinyl on release... after that i have the odd single, i've not really took a deep interest beyond 1994.
I saw Green Day play a Christmas Party in Newport Gwent to about 150 people on their first UK Tour in 1991, they were superb! This is a great ballad from their second album...
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Post by personunknown on Oct 2, 2020 12:15:27 GMT
I always have a copy of American Idiot in the car, it's full of catchy choruses and hooks, great driving music. Whether it's punk or not, I don't care, just a great album.
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Post by andyloneshark on Oct 2, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
...the first band i was in used to cover the track 'American Idiot' - the chords are simple... the arrangement... bastard hard!
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Post by zeopold on Oct 2, 2020 19:54:58 GMT
Call me picky, but I'm hard pressed to think of a group that lacks more value
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 21:22:57 GMT
I bought their first two e.p.'s and their first two albums on Lookout Records between 1989-1991 Dookie being the last album i bought on vinyl on release... after that i have the odd single, i've not really took a deep interest beyond 1994. I saw Green Day play a Christmas Party in Newport Gwent to about 150 people on their first UK Tour in 1991, they were superb! This is a great ballad from their second album... As far as I remember Green Day were always quite inconspicuous compared to the likes of 7 Seconds and Agent Orange as I reckon they stole a lot of their sound from 7 Seconds circa 'New Wind' and Agent Orange's 'This is the Voice' latterly. There were far better bands than GD before they became the numpties they are now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 22:30:12 GMT
I always have a copy of American Idiot in the car, it's full of catchy choruses and hooks, great driving music. Whether it's punk or not, I don't care, just a great album. Ditto Mrs RP who loves 'Dookie' and'American Idiot' and keeps them in the motor too. I prefer something a little more mellow like Lärm myself..
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Post by AndoII on Oct 3, 2020 4:15:04 GMT
They're okay, decent live unit. Went to see them play here about 10 ago with some friends and the eldest lad. Good night out all round, I thought. But then again, I don't get to see many bands much nowadays. "Dookie" is a great pop-punk elpee. Good for the car or gym.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 3, 2020 5:36:06 GMT
Call me picky, but I'm hard pressed to think of a group that lacks more value They're no Blue Nile, that's for sure
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Post by Bassy on Oct 3, 2020 7:33:41 GMT
Having been through a long Hardcore phase, I did indeed splutter with indignation (and wave my zimmer frame about in agitation) when I first heard Green Day.
Seeing the video for "Basket case" agitated me further. Why the fuck was an American called Billie Joe sneering and pulling 1977 shapes as though Hardcore never happened ?
My feelings towards the band have mellowed considerably as time has passed. I'm glad to have them around if they can get politically charged lyrics and ideas like "American idiot" to the top of the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 7:56:52 GMT
Having been through a long Hardcore phase, I did indeed splutter with indignation (and wave my zimmer frame about in agitation) when I first heard Green Day. Seeing the video for "Basket case" agitated me further. Why the fuck was an American called Billie Joe sneering and pulling 1977 shapes as though Hardcore never happened ? My feelings towards the band have mellowed considerably as time has passed. I'm glad to have them around if they can get politically charged lyrics and ideas like "American idiot" to the top of the charts. To be honest Bassy, they don't really bother me. The music is just a personal taste, they wouldn't be the first to plagurise a certain sound. Considering what Lydon is up to you can hardly blame them for singing about 'American Idiots'.
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Post by andyloneshark on Oct 3, 2020 9:08:53 GMT
I went to see many American bands early days, playing small venues, before they got huge and it was exciting. I wouldn't go and see Green Day nowadays though, as standing in some enormodome supping on some overpriced piss as the band played a mile away from me, is not really my idea of a good time. Green Day are/were probably influenced by all manner of bands over the decades: 60s British Invasion, The Replacements, The Dickies, Ramones, Descendents, Husker Du, The Clash, Misfits... who knows. But i do know they encouraged millions of kids to put down their X-Box and pick up a guitar and have put back alot into the scene that nurtured them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 9:17:42 GMT
Aye, stadium rock was never very punk. I always liked to connect with a band and I'm always down the front.
What do you think of the hoo ha about Green Day going back to play Gilman St a couple of years back Andy?
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Post by andyloneshark on Oct 3, 2020 9:28:55 GMT
...i think they've probably been back to Gilman St a couple of times, Roguey. I know they've played plenty of secret low key gigs and parties for their friends.
There's a really good documentary called 'Turn It Around: The Story Of East Bay Punk' that Green Day were the Executive Producers of which goes into alot of detail about all the different bands that came from that scene over 20 years, narrated by Iggy Pop.
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Post by Bassy on Oct 3, 2020 9:33:32 GMT
Aye, stadium rock was never very punk. I always liked to connect with a band and I'm always down the front. What do you think of the hoo ha about Green Day going back to play Gilman St a couple of years back Andy? Ex-Talkpunker Kenny Hel77 knows a lot about the Gilman St scene because he was there and participating. From what I can gather (and if I'm wrong, I'm more than happy for Andy to correct me) that scene was idealistic to the point of almost being exclusive of differing attitudes. There's nothing wrong with that, I reckon. Personally, I saw nothing wrong with Green Day returning to their roots for a gig. There were similar ripples of condemnation when Steve Ignorant and his band played Crass songs in a large venue some years ago. The purists would rather he'd played 100 nights in a small, shitty pub. Just goes to show that can't please everybody all of the time.
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