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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 3, 2021 9:43:42 GMT
Never heard of 99% of them and outside of England neither have the majority of the World's football fans. By your own admission you are only interested in Celtic and not the broader game so that's no suprise I can guarantee you, given the global popularity of the English Prem and the English teams recent successes in European tournaments, that "the majority of the World's football fans" have definitely heard of most of them |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 10:57:09 GMT
The difference is that Scottish football is about more than football.
You might not like it as so called civic Scottish society doesn't like it but it's the truth.
As for English football being popular?
It's good because of the amount of people who watch it?
You're such a slave pal. Quality is based on popularity garnered by rich corporations and individuals who have wealth which equals the GDP of some small countries.
For all the money, all the hype and all the spin the English national team still haven't won fuck all for 55 years.
They are the Lance Armstrong of World Football.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 3, 2021 11:18:53 GMT
We're not discussing what football means in different countries and cultures - we're discussing how many world class players are in the England squad and how many global football fans would recognise them
Just because you don't recognise them isn't indicative of any wider recognition - you've admitted you don't care about football in England so no surprise you don't recognise them
Across the globe they are well known, which is why I mentioned the popularity of the Premier League across the globe
I'm not equating quality to viewing figures - that's your comparison. Although it does beg the question why is the Premier League so popular across the world?
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I prefer the EFL and non-league, as you may recall from previous discussions. The Prem is fine and can be exciting and unpredictable but is not a patch on the Champ, League One and League Two
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The English national team and the Premier league are two entirely different entities so comparing the two is pointless - not sure why you've done that
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Lance Armstrong is a bizarre comparison - he won loads but was a drug cheat
England have won very little but have never been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs
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I don't know what you mean by "you're a slave pal" - slave to what? Watching football? Enjoying visiting grounds? Taking an interest in the global game? If so, I suppose I am but I think slave is an odd word to use
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You seem to think I care about the English national team. My feelings are very ambivalent. I take an interest but I don't hope or expect them to do well. If they do win Euro 2021 (which I seriously doubt - see above - Southgate is a v limited manager) then I'll be mildly pleased but I am far more invested in club football. When they get knocked out I won't be remotely upset. The main pleasure I get from the Euros is watching specific players rather than worrying about outcomes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 13:38:11 GMT
The point is that you're equating the popularity of the English Premier league with something that you actually claim to like.(ie grass roots football that connects to working class culture)
The proliferation of big business in sport and the ramifications it's had for the way in which football has changed over the last 30 years isn't a good model for promoting the above.
The popularity of 'English' Premiership to has no corelation to how good the English team is and for the reasons that you state. The majority of it's best players aren't English and this is borne out in the success of other countries when it comes to winning international tournaments.
There lies it's supposed popularity. A modern day version of a sporting freak show where the wealthy can bully smaller teams into the submission just because they can financially do so.
You're a slave to the market Nigel. You think that because something is popular, it must be good, regardless of the cost.
Still doesn't get away from the fact that the English national team are in the 2nd tier of World Football.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 3, 2021 13:54:21 GMT
I'm just presenting the facts Rogue - it doesn't mean I necessarily approve of these developments By comparison you are just shooting from the hip, as usual Modern football, specifically the involvement of oligarchs, rogue states, billionaires, hedge funds etc is a very bad thing - we agree Whilst the Prem clubs can buy the best players in the world that is not the only reason it is so popular across the globe - as I am sure you realise I don't understand why you perceive me to be "a slave to the market". Is that in terms of my football passions? Does the mere fact of expressing occasional enjoyment of the Prem automatically make me "a slave to the market"? I don't buy any subscriptions so don't even contribute to the massive TV revenues. It so happens that the team I watch now is in the Prem but that's a recent thing but I watched them in all the other divisions. Admittedly I had a season ticket at Arsenal for about 15 years when they were in the Prem but surely that's not what you mean? Back to England, the Lance Armstrong comparison is still rubbish. England often get hyped up before tournaments only to flatter to deceive. There are many other modern cyclists who would make a better comparison. Lance was a cheat and a liar - v different. Most people knew there was something fishy about his extraordinary success way before it was definitively proved. The English national team are in the 2nd tier of World Football? How do you account for their current FIFA ranking? 1. Belgium, 2. France, 3. Brazil, 4. England Guessing Spain, Germany, Argentina etc are in 3rd tier? www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/Your skewed perceptions don't make it automatically so Stick to the facts |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 14:14:11 GMT
I'm just presenting the facts Rogue - it doesn't mean I necessarily approve of these developments By comparison you are just shooting from the hip, as usual Modern football, specifically the involvement of oligarchs, rogue states, billionaires, hedge funds etc is a very bad thing - we agree Whilst the Prem clubs can buy the best players in the world that is not the only reason it is so popular across the globe - as I am sure you realise I don't understand why you perceive me to be "a slave to the market". Is that in terms of my football passions? Does the mere fact of expressing occasional enjoyment of the Prem automatically make me "a slave to the market"? I don't buy any subscriptions so don't even contribute to the massive TV revenues. It so happens that the team I watch now is in the Prem but that's a recent thing but I watched them in all the other divisions. Admittedly I had a season ticket at Arsenal for about 15 years when they were in the Prem but surely that's not what you mean? Back to England, the Lance Armstrong comparison is still rubbish. England often get hyped up before tournaments only to flatter to deceive. There are many other modern cyclists who would make a better comparison. Lance was a cheat and a liar - v different. Most people knew there was something fishy about his extraordinary success way before it was definitively proved. The English national team are in the 2nd tier of World Football? How do you account for their current FIFA ranking? 1. Belgium, 2. France, 3. Brazil, 4. England Guessing Spain, Germany, Argentina etc are in 3rd tier? www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/Your skewed perceptions don't make it automatically so Stick to the facts Again, data presented as 'facts' which mean nothing in reality. And this is a 'fact'. Because the English Premiership can afford to buy up a lot of the World's best players doesn't equate to an interest in English football. It could have been anywhere. The market decides where it goes. Like most English football fans at club and international level,especially that perverse desire to be better than any''foreigner 'who plays the game-that they supposedly invented- supersedes any sense of reality. It's this desperation to be 'the best', this obsession, borne out of right wing sentiment is the biggest insult to genuine football fans. For the rest of us who actually want to enjoy the football this is regurgitated every time ANY tournament is on. The likes of Sky and the grovelling of the so called top English clubs destroyed football in this country 30 years ago. The analogy of Lance Armstring is still relevant. Always promising to be the best then found out as a fraud and liar when the reality sinks in. This happens to the English National team every time. They get beat and the so called experts cry into their beer when the rest of world are proven right time and time again. As for those rankings?They mean sod all. It's all part of the same narrative. We're going to win this even before a ball is kicked. If they learnt some humility and respect for everyone else, people might give them the credit they're due when they actually do something worthwhile based on merit. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 3, 2021 15:13:12 GMT
It doesn't make sense because much of it is not what we were discussing
It's just scattershot opinions - many of which I happen to agree with, but...
...little of which address the previous points at issue,
...or which are just wrong (e.g. England produces inferior footballers, that's just wrongheaded as any objective measure conclusively proves)
Despite what you think, I've got no horse in the race, I'm just taking issue with statements and opinions that are patently wrong and do not stand up to factual scrutiny
Ah well - that's me done
Back to Euro 2021
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 16:43:19 GMT
Of course England produces inferior footballers unless you think failure is success?
Well do you?
If it isn't, what is this criteria based on? Winning European titles and doing well with players from other countries? I mean look at your own(relatively unsuccessful) club. They couldn't hold their own in European competition without the likes of Henry etc
The facts which you keeping crying over bear this out.
Given the resources over other countries they have only one international trophy.
England just isn't good enough in producing players who are capable of winning a modern day tournament. If they were, they would have won one by by now.
When you accept this fact, you might actually start to enjoy football instead of your patriotic hang ups getting in the ways.👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 18:34:18 GMT
I think Denmark with a population of 5,5 million people will get further in the Euro21 than England...I always cheer for England in major tournaments but you have failed me so often...even with that so called golden generation with Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Beckham, Rooney, Ashley Cole, Terry and Rio you failed big time
We have a team....You have a lot of famous overhyped and overpaid footballers...I know which I prefer
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 3, 2021 20:28:09 GMT
I think Denmark with a population of 5,5 million people...We have a team....You have a lot of famous overhyped and overpaid footballers...I know which I prefer AND Thomas Frank got Brentford promoted too These are heady days for the wonderful Danes I had one of the all time great 24 hours in Copenhagen I love Denmark |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 4, 2021 8:06:02 GMT
Trent Alexander-Arnold ruled out of Euro 2021
That's a huge shame for Trent - he's a wonderful player
Still no shortage of right backs in the squad and all proven at the highest level
For those TP members who have not heard of 99% of the England squad (along with the majority of the World's football fans) here's who they are...
Kieran Trippier (won La Liga with Atletico), Kyle Walker (won the Prem with Man City), and Reece James (won the Champs League with Chelsea)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 8:37:37 GMT
Aah Round 2 beckons!!🤣
Nigel speaking for all football fans across the world yet again.🤩🤣🤩🤣🤩
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 4, 2021 8:52:02 GMT
Think of it as a public service
For those who have never heard of 99% of the England squad thought it best to explain who these nonentities are whenever mentioning them by name
You've seriously never heard of Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Walker or James?!
Which begs the question who is it that you have heard of?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 9:18:46 GMT
To be honest, who cares if I've never heard of them or not?
In Scotland most people don't give a fuck about the England team.
However, my contention is that you think that the majority of the worlds football fans do?
Wheres the proof? It's just an assumption.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 4, 2021 9:23:58 GMT
I cannot possibly prove your assertions are wrong
Likewise, you can't prove your assertions are correct
Anyway, indulge me....
You've seriously never heard of Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Walker or James?!
Who is it that you have heard of?
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