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Post by stu77 on Nov 26, 2021 18:28:00 GMT
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Post by doug61 on Dec 1, 2021 13:22:28 GMT
Myatt was an interesting figure, he chops and changes religions and philosophies and occult and far right political beliefs at a whim, The "Nine Angles" exists largely in myth and it's doubtful that it went much beyond a loose affiliation of nutters before Myatt tried to link it to his "Satanic" (we should remember that Satanism is a Christian construct so actually goes against the core of most occultist beliefs who eschew Christian ideas for the older "dualistic" ones) and neo Nazi beliefs. Apart from some animal mutilations which may have been down to them I have never read of much evidence of them existing in any meaningful way. Given that they seemed to adopt the structure of Crowley's "A A" (Argenteum Astrum) and later Chaos Magic, where you only really know two people in an organisation (the one who teaches you and the one you teach) It's difficult to know the extent of these groups. That said, I have read their "manifesto" and it's pretty eye opening in it's open approval of murder as a tool of magic(k)al achievement.
(like the avatar BTW)
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Post by doug61 on Dec 1, 2021 14:12:27 GMT
I read the first article when it was published and found it very simplistic in it's black and white view of some of those mentioned. TG and Douglas Pearce (Death In June/DI6) certainly go well beyond the offence for offence's sake, and the writer is far too journalistically biased in expecting artists to have to be catagorically pro or anti something rather than letting the body of work stand for itself, a feature becoming all too common in the new "woke" reality we exist in where if you don't publicly condemn everything then you are somehow in favour of whatever it is. Douglas P is a good case, he is the open gay son of a WW2 Spitfire pilot and the whole Death In June catalogue says far more about "Daddy issues" and a fascination with model planes growing up than anything else, yet he is routinely called a "Nazi" and struggles to get gigs because he lets the work do the talking and refuses to comment beyond that, Lemmy meanwhile was an obsessive collector of Nazi memorabilia and has publicly denied the extent of the Holocaust but was never pulled up for it. Art must be viewed as art, the pontificating of journalists on some moral crusade to condemn or champion those they don't or do approve of comes closer to the "book burning" of the far right than anything they label as "unacceptable". "Festivals end, as festivals must"
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Post by stu77 on Dec 1, 2021 14:30:41 GMT
I first read about Myatt in Searchlight magazine in the late 90s. There was a photo of him outside the Charlie Sargant trial with a load of Combat 18 types. You have to wonder how he related to these street thug types.
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Post by doug61 on Dec 1, 2021 15:37:46 GMT
I first read about Myatt in Searchlight magazine in the late 90s. There was a photo of him outside the Charlie Sargant trial with a load of Combat 18 types. You have to wonder how he related to these street thug types. Yeah, but I guess it goes with the whole "Social Darwin" aspect of the intelligent ruling the strong and the strong controlling the masses. I Remember Combat 18 being the big Chelsea thug thing back in the old days, wonder if any of their old "top boys" still go in the new shiny EPL world.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 1, 2021 15:54:33 GMT
I only listened to a short section of that Myatt interview Stu but he comes over as quite a slippery individual, though also appears to quite like the attention
Thanks for your points Doug - you make interesting counter arguments and, as you say...
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Post by stu77 on Dec 1, 2021 17:52:46 GMT
This is another anti-fascist podcast. This episode deconstructs the Myatt interview posted on YouTube. open.spotify.com/episode/74NJ7M5FTJkpGAqDs1XqzIMyatt seems to have spent his life on a spiritual journey. Doesn't appear to have included being in any kind of employment.
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Post by doug61 on Dec 2, 2021 13:22:19 GMT
This is another anti-fascist podcast. This episode deconstructs the Myatt interview posted on YouTube. open.spotify.com/episode/74NJ7M5FTJkpGAqDs1XqzIMyatt seems to have spent his life on a spiritual journey. Doesn't appear to have included being in any kind of employment. Seem to remember he also had some connection with Michael Moynihan of the neo folk outfit "Blood Axis" , Moynihan is best known as author of the book "Lords Of Chaos" on the black metal murders and church burnings in Norway, the book and film of it are both worth checking out although Moynihan is definitely a man of extremist sympathies. A lot of the Neo folk scene got taken over by elements of the "Pan European" far right movements and genuine bands and genuine pagan Occult thought all tended to all get lumped into the occult/Neo Nazi scene in such an incredibly simplistic way that any liking for the musical genre or interest in certain pagan ways of life was enough to label one as a Nazi sympathiser.
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Post by stu77 on Feb 19, 2022 0:37:17 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Feb 20, 2022 14:07:51 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Feb 21, 2022 2:21:09 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Jul 24, 2022 21:51:30 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Aug 3, 2022 4:32:22 GMT
Charlie Sargent's brother Steve is in this. From 2015. Charlie Sargent was a friend of someone called John Cato. Who was also in C18. A few years before C18 Cato was singer of a band called Admit You're Shit who had a few releases on Mortarhate Records.
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Post by stu77 on Aug 3, 2022 5:06:20 GMT
Death In June of course evolved from the punk band Crisis. One of their members, Tony Wakeford, was briefly involved with the National Front. Which he now says he regrets deeply. Death In June have played in Israel. This is a stunning recording. Though guest vocalist Boyd Rice has been accused of fascist sympathies himself despite being close to Anton LaVey of the Church of Satan, who was Jewish.
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Post by stu77 on Aug 8, 2022 21:24:06 GMT
Here is another gem from Boyd Rice. I see him as a troll rather than a fascist. I wonder how far these natural-selection and Might Is Right merchants like Rice and Nikolas Schreck would go to demonstrate how deep their beliefs are. Alone on a backstreet and seriously threatened they'd be crying for mummy is my guess.
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