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Post by stu77 on Dec 2, 2021 20:27:01 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 2, 2021 21:11:18 GMT
Excellent
Looking forward to it
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 2, 2021 21:11:35 GMT
Thanks Stu
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Post by doug61 on Dec 3, 2021 13:58:28 GMT
Thanks very much for the heads up.
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Post by stu77 on Dec 6, 2021 1:05:45 GMT
I'd forgotten that the Bromley Contingent were at the ICA thing in 1976.
Excellent documentary anyway.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 6, 2021 8:59:41 GMT
I'd forgotten that the Bromley Contingent were at the ICA thing in 1976. Excellent documentary anyway.
Thanks Stu
I'll be catching Other, Like Me: The Oral History of COUM Transmissions and Throbbing Gristle on iPlayer at some stage soon - 29 days til it disappears
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0012950/other-like-me-the-oral-history-of-coum-transmissions-and-throbbing-gristle
Hull, England, 1970. In a run-down commune in a tough port city, a group of social misfits - mostly working class, mostly self-educated - adopted new identities and began making simple street theatre under the name COUM Transmissions. Their playful performances gradually gave way to work that dealt openly with sex, pornography, and violence. The group lived at the edge of society, surviving on meagre resources, finding fellowship with others marginalised by the mainstream.
At the core of the group were two artists, Genesis Breyer P-Orridge and Cosey Fanni Tutti. As their work evolved, Cosey embarked on a career modelling for pornographic magazines, work that she claimed for herself and classified as conceptual art, using it to forge a specific position in relationship to 1970s feminism. In performances, Genesis pushed himself to extremes, testing the limits of the human body. By the mid-1970s, having been chased out of Hull by the police and now living in London, they had caused one of the 20th century’s biggest art scandals and been branded by the British press and politicians as ‘the wreckers of civilisation’.
On the brink of art world success, COUM turned their attentions to music, starting a new phase as the confrontational and notorious band Throbbing Gristle. They built their own instruments, ran their own independent record label, and challenged the norms of rock performance. Throbbing Gristle confronted the dark side of human nature with brutal honesty and invented an entirely new genre of electronic music, which they named 'industrial'. The band imploded on stage in front of thousands of fans in San Francisco in 1981, before reforming 23 years later, having become a major influence on subsequent generations of musicians.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 8, 2021 18:44:36 GMT
Really enjoyed this doc
Had no idea about the COUM stuff and learned a lot about Throbbing Gristle too
Thanks again Stu
Is Cozy's book worth reading?
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Post by doug61 on Dec 9, 2021 12:39:55 GMT
Really enjoyed this doc Had no idea about the COUM stuff and learned a lot about Throbbing Gristle too Thanks again Stu Is Cozy's book worth reading? Yes. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 9, 2021 13:06:57 GMT
Thanks Doug - I'm on it
Interesting that, at the very end of the doc, it's revealed she made allegations of abuse against Genesis in the book. The impression I got from the doc was that everything was v consensual and she felt positively about that period
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Post by doug61 on Dec 10, 2021 16:17:35 GMT
Thanks Doug - I'm on it Interesting that, at the very end of the doc, it's revealed she made allegations of abuse against Genesis in the book. The impression I got from the doc was that everything was v consensual and she felt positively about that period It's quite in depth in the book, Gen doesn't come out of it very well. She had a tough relationship with her dad and did seem to be very controlled by Gen. He always tended to take solo credit for things that were band decisions and ideas with TG too. I've read elsewhere that Sleazy loathed him towards the end of TG for his treatment of Cosey who Sleazy was very close to. When Cosey and Chris Carter got together, although he was already with Paula Orridge, Gen took it very personally. Also when Gen fled the UK over the "satanic Abuse" Dispatches Channel 4 show, he left Sleazy and Jhonn Balance in the lurch with the police until the ludicrous allegations were all found to be nonsense. TG were an astonishing band, but no one member should have got any more credit than anyone else and Gen was a complete "credit hog". if you had to pick the true innovator it would have to be Chris Carter if anyone. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 10, 2021 18:22:44 GMT
Thanks Doug - I'm on it Interesting that, at the very end of the doc, it's revealed she made allegations of abuse against Genesis in the book. The impression I got from the doc was that everything was v consensual and she felt positively about that period It's quite in depth in the book, Gen doesn't come out of it very well. She had a tough relationship with her dad and did seem to be very controlled by Gen. He always tended to take solo credit for things that were band decisions and ideas with TG too. I've read elsewhere that Sleazy loathed him towards the end of TG for his treatment of Cosey who Sleazy was very close to. When Cosey and Chris Carter got together, although he was already with Paula Orridge, Gen took it very personally. Also when Gen fled the UK over the "satanic Abuse" Dispatches Channel 4 show, he left Sleazy and Jhonn Balance in the lurch with the police until the ludicrous allegations were all found to be nonsense. TG were an astonishing band, but no one member should have got any more credit than anyone else and Gen was a complete "credit hog". if you had to pick the true innovator it would have to be Chris Carter if anyone. Very interesting. Thanks Doug Looking forward to reading the book |
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