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Post by zeopold on Jan 10, 2022 8:32:01 GMT
Whether expressed in terms of revolutionary fervour, or the cold logic of the balance sheet, extreme and proposterous viewpoints are the life blood of the forum.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 10, 2022 9:31:09 GMT
Perhaps someone else could take on the role of regularly reminding us that we are all fascists? And that The Clash were racist. The Ramones weren't punk. The England team are crap. Labour are more right wing than the Tories. It's a big ask. You're right PU And then there's the Scottish Nationalism English people are racist Celtic FC Hardcore punk |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 10, 2022 9:31:30 GMT
Whether expressed in terms of revolutionary fervour, or the cold logic of the balance sheet, extreme and proposterous viewpoints are the life blood of the forum. Of any forum |
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Post by doug61 on Jan 10, 2022 17:01:46 GMT
And that The Clash were racist. The Ramones weren't punk. The England team are crap. Labour are more right wing than the Tories. It's a big ask. You're right PU And then there's the Scottish Nationalism English people are racist Celtic FC Hardcore punk Think it was more Londoners, or was it all English? |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 10, 2022 17:25:03 GMT
His greatest ire was reserved for northern English
I seem to recall Mrs RP is English, possibly from Yorkshire, and he characterised all his inlaws as arch Brexiteers - that soon became all English working class are racist
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Post by zeopold on Jan 11, 2022 9:51:28 GMT
You're right PU And then there's the Scottish Nationalism English people are racist Celtic FC Hardcore punk Think it was more Londoners, or was it all English? I do recall him expressing particular disdain for the London punks of 1976, as they had the cheek to get into it before it was actually real, ie, from 1982 onwards. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 11, 2022 9:54:46 GMT
Not arf. Bunch of posers the lot of them.
Soon migrating on to the next trendy scene when punk got "too real" (ie a bit shit)
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 11, 2022 9:55:47 GMT
"too real" (ie a bit shit) And yes, I do acknowledge there was still plenty to love if you looked in the right places but superficially The Exploited etc were retrograde shite |
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Post by zeopold on Jan 11, 2022 10:08:41 GMT
Don't get him started on goths...  |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 11, 2022 11:16:26 GMT
Incredibly bad article in The Guardian about slavery and the Colston case: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/slavery-enriched-family-accept-white-people-owe-huge-debtIt's little more than a series of begged questions and baseless assertions. I particularly liked this part: "And while it is hard to prove a direct link between Britain’s role in slavery and contemporary social conditions, it nevertheless exists." I'm reminded of the notorious Paedogeddon episode of Brass Eye, in which this sort of lazy journalism was parodied when they got DJ Dr Fox to make a fool of himself by reading out the comment "Paedophiles have more in common with crabs than they do with you or me. That's a scientific fact. There's no scientific evidence for it, but it is a fact." |
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Post by zeopold on Jan 11, 2022 11:51:07 GMT
I particularly liked this part: "And while it is hard to prove a direct link between Britain’s role in slavery and contemporary social conditions, it nevertheless exists." He goes on to say: "You can see it in the higher arrest rates for Black British people, the differentials of economic opportunity and health outcomes, the widespread racism." ...but as you point out, blacks got the opportunity to live in the civilised world thanks to Colston and his ilk. Perhaps they should think of the glass as half full. |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 11, 2022 11:56:25 GMT
He goes on to say: "You can see it in the higher arrest rates for Black British people, the differentials of economic opportunity and health outcomes, the widespread racism." He does indeed, and that's another example of his baseless assertions. How does slavery 300+ years ago cause higher arrest rates for black people? Their arrest rates are higher because they (and, more specifically, black people of Caribbean rather than direct African descent) commit crimes at higher rates than other ethnic groups – and that is a documented fact, not merely an assertion. One could construct an argument stating that a legacy of slavery is economic disenfranchisement, which in turn makes people more likely to commit crimes – I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, but it's not the argument he's making. He appears to be stating that slavery directly causes higher arrest rates for black people, which is a nonsensical statement. |
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Post by doug61 on Jan 11, 2022 12:16:39 GMT
His greatest ire was reserved for northern English I seem to recall Mrs RP is English, possibly from Yorkshire, and he characterised all his inlaws as arch Brexiteers - that soon became all English working class are racist The problem with a lot of the left who merely ape what the Guardian say to look trendy though, is that "Brexit" was and is a Socialist policy, maybe not the new "faux socialists" who think that any policy against the Conservatives must equal socialism but the older traditional real Socialism, which is why Corbyn was a Brexiteer. The European Court Of Justice has continuously watered down workers rights, of course it would be better to have a Socialist government here in the UK instead of the Tory or Tory Lite choices currently on offer but his stance actually showed a misunderstanding of traditional Socialist values. |
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Post by doug61 on Jan 11, 2022 12:19:33 GMT
Think it was more Londoners, or was it all English? I do recall him expressing particular disdain for the London punks of 1976, as they had the cheek to get into it before it was actually real, ie, from 1982 onwards. One of those who turned up for the party too late after all the good booze was gone and convinced themselves that warm Cinzano was Champagne. |
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Post by zeopold on Jan 11, 2022 12:26:42 GMT
He goes on to say: "You can see it in the higher arrest rates for Black British people, the differentials of economic opportunity and health outcomes, the widespread racism." How does slavery 300+ years ago cause higher arrest rates for black people? It would appear that advanced societies like ours place less value on people who can be made to work for nothing than they do on wealth-generating go-getters like Colston, I guess. See also: incarceration rates for blacks in the US |
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