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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 21, 2022 15:56:31 GMT
No such problems for City bosses Colour me surprised  The hypocrisy is breathtaking |
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Post by zeopold on Jun 22, 2022 7:33:12 GMT
Colour me surprised  The hypocrisy is breathtaking I don't see hypocrisy, only consistency. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 22, 2022 8:12:44 GMT
Consistent hypocrisy?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 22, 2022 8:18:30 GMT
Compare and contrast   |
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Post by zeopold on Jun 22, 2022 10:14:08 GMT
Not at all. The tories exist to enrich bosses and impoverish working people. |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 22, 2022 10:43:34 GMT
So the man who runs the whole of Britain's railways earns considerably more than a man who runs a single train? No shit, Sherlock. Does the Mirror have any more shock revelations from us? Does the CEO of NatWest possibly earn more than a bank clerk? Does Richard Branson earn more than a person who answers the phone at Virgin Mobile's call centre? Does the Prime Minister earn more than a local councillor? The public needs to know! |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 22, 2022 12:07:12 GMT
It's the trajectory over those trends, not the fact they exist, that it so troubling
Inequality has risen massively on the Tories watch
The most harmonious and stable societies have much smaller disparities
But you know that
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Post by politician2 on Jun 22, 2022 12:32:40 GMT
Inequality doesn't concern me in the slightest, as long as people are worth the salaries they're being paid. The recent trend for rewarding corporate failure is a different matter, however.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 22, 2022 12:42:46 GMT
Andrew Haines is not justifying his £600k pa given his trains aren’t running
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Post by politician2 on Jun 22, 2022 12:44:06 GMT
It is his job to resolve this dispute. That does not mean that it can be resolved quickly or simply, so it is not an example of corporate failure.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 22, 2022 12:54:24 GMT
Inequality doesn't concern me in the slightest... Probably worth interrogating that position. There are many negative outcomes to increasing inequality. Or are you saying you are not concerned with those either? It is his job to resolve this dispute. That does not mean that it can be resolved quickly or simply, so it is not an example of corporate failure. He's allowed employee relations to deteriorate so far that we now have strike action - a rail company with no trains running is the very definition of failure |
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Post by politician2 on Jun 22, 2022 12:58:47 GMT
I am not concerned about people earning what their skills are worth. Absolute poverty is certainly something people should be concerned about; relative poverty is not. The fact that one person earns a million pounds a year and another £10,000 does not make the person on £10,000 better or worse off in real terms. The economy is not some kind of finite pie where one person taking a larger slice means somebody else gets less, though this theory does seem to have taken hold in recent years.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 22, 2022 13:30:13 GMT
It’s not just an economic fairness issue but also a democratic issue
How do you hold together a democratic culture and state when the wealth holding patterns show no democracy at all?
Many analysts see the growth of populism & the polarisation of politics in the UK and elsewhere around the developed world as inextricably linked. They're right
Economies also become stifled when millions of people are held back from contributing to their full potential
Whichever way you cut it, it's an important issue that needs solving
To blithely shrug your shoulders and say not bothered is at best ignorant and at worst downright reckless
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Post by politician2 on Jun 22, 2022 13:50:57 GMT
It’s not just an economic fairness issue but also a democratic issue How do you hold together a democratic culture and state when the wealth holding patterns show no democracy at all? "Wealth holding patterns" have nothing to do with democracy. Democracy means everybody has an equal voice at the ballot box. It does not mean equality of outcome. A comprehensive school dropout with an IQ of 98 is not going to command the same salary as an Oxford graduate. An unemployed person with no transferable skills is not going to enjoy the same lifestyle as the CEO of a FTSE-100 company. Why should they? Even actual communist regimes have grasped this point better than you have. As a concrete example, salaries differed significantly in East Germany: in the 1980s, the average national salary was 1,000 marks a month whilst a member of the Politburo of the ruling Socialist Unity Party earned 5,500 marks a month. Why? Because people with the necessary skills won't take on onerous leadership roles without being compensated appropriately. |
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Post by zeopold on Jun 22, 2022 14:12:47 GMT
Inequality doesn't concern me in the slightest Colour me surprised (again) that a tory would say that |
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