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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 14:53:11 GMT
There was a big hoo-ha around 27/28 years ago about Searchlight being a listening post for the State with all these supposed fascists'seeing the light'and suddenly becoming anti racists.
I don't read these hooligan books much but there was always a bad smell around the likes of Searchlight and their 'converts'.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 16, 2021 15:01:56 GMT
Anyone who has read it will know why I mentioned it in this thread. Can you reveal why for those who have not read it? |
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Post by stu77 on Feb 16, 2021 15:13:28 GMT
Anyone who has read it will know why I mentioned it in this thread. Can you reveal why for those who have not read it? Someone who is never named is alluded to throughout the book and to me it is obvious who it is though the fact he had far right links was never public knowledge. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 16, 2021 16:04:47 GMT
That is very intriguing. Not revealed but obvious to you who it was. I might have to read it now. Do you think it would be obvious to other people on TP?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 16:15:40 GMT
I'll take a wild guess-Garry Bushell...allegedly.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 16, 2021 17:57:40 GMT
Could be. Stu, might this unnamed person possibly have a beard, write a column for The Sun, and put out Oi comps?
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Post by stu77 on Feb 16, 2021 19:47:45 GMT
There was a big hoo-ha around 27/28 years ago about Searchlight being a listening post for the State with all these supposed fascists'seeing the light'and suddenly becoming anti racists. I don't read these hooligan books much but there was always a bad smell around the likes of Searchlight and their 'converts'. Yes especially considering the fact that Combat 18 for example was seen as a state operation by some I've often suspected the same about the EDL libcom.org/library/strange-story-combat-18-dan-woinsaker |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 19:57:20 GMT
I mind a lot of the hoo-ha revolved around the Searchlight 'converts', Tim Hepple and Ray Hill who were both fascists.
Individuals like Larry O'Hara and his Lobster magazine wrote quite a few pieces on how Searchlight was a front for MI5 to gather information on left wing groups.
Indeed, it has long been argued that C18 were a state run group. Not surprisingly considering their links to the UVF who were basically run by the RUC Special Branch(ie MI5).
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Post by andyloneshark on Mar 4, 2021 11:40:50 GMT
Just finished reading the large cover feature on Street Punk/Oi in the latest Vive Le Rock that covers alot of what we have been discussing on here.  |
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Post by doug61 on Mar 4, 2021 13:02:35 GMT
Can you reveal why for those who have not read it? Someone who is never named is alluded to throughout the book and to me it is obvious who it is though the fact he had far right links was never public knowledge. Yeah, I read it, but a fair while back. Assume you are referring to GB and his alleged wringing for the NF newspaper. Think he sued over it and won but only got £1 damages which says rather a lot legally. GB has changed his politics so many times it's hard to keep track, he would routinely savage Ian Stuart and Skrewdriver in print, yet flirt with the imagery whenever it suited his agenda. There was also a difference at the time between Oi and it's links to punk which were considered "degenerate" to leading figures on the far right and skinhead bands that were more rock based. Oi seemed to become "Streetpunk" in a move to polish it's right wing history but for a lot of these people and their lyrical content it's just a case of scratching away the Union Flag to see the Swastika lying behind. As someone that got a good pasting from Crane and his chums one evening in Crayford high street I have no time for the morons, but also would be very much against banning non specifically Nazi music because the front cover features dear old Nicky and an unsubtle (GB still denies he knew what the title meant) title. A friend who's ex girlfriend lives in Sidcup a road away from where GB lives, says he casts rather a sad and shabby figure these days, walking his dog around the streets and living in a tatty house. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Mar 4, 2021 14:00:00 GMT
Just finished reading the large cover feature on Street Punk/Oi in the latest Vive Le Rock that covers alot of what we have been discussing on here. Thanks Andy - I'll have a gander at that article Someone who is never named is alluded to throughout the book and to me it is obvious who it is though the fact he had far right links was never public knowledge. Yeah, I read it, but a fair while back. Assume you are referring to GB and his alleged writiing for the NF newspaper. Think he sued over it and won but only got £1 damages which says rather a lot legally. GB has changed his politics so many times it's hard to keep track, he would routinely savage Ian Stuart and Skrewdriver in print, yet flirt with the imagery whenever it suited his agenda. There was also a difference at the time between Oi and it's links to punk which were considered "degenerate" to leading figures on the far right and skinhead bands that were more rock based. Oi seemed to become "Streetpunk" in a move to polish it's right wing history but for a lot of these people and their lyrical content it's just a case of scratching away the Union Flag to see the Swastika lying behind. As someone that got a good pasting from Crane and his chums one evening in Crayford high street I have no time for the morons, but also would be very much against banning non specifically Nazi music because the front cover features dear old Nicky and an unsubtle (GB still denies he knew what the title meant) title. A friend who's ex girlfriend lives in Sidcup a road away from where GB lives, says he casts rather a sad and shabby figure these days, walking his dog around the streets and living in a tatty house. Great points Doug
I can hear the sound of the nail hitting the head repeatedly
This article on Garry Bushell is quite amusing and insightful, and a bit of hatchet job from a somewhat smug journo, but still he's probably done the same thing to a few people in his time...
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Post by zeopold on Mar 4, 2021 15:40:05 GMT
Someone who is never named is alluded to throughout the book and to me it is obvious who it is though the fact he had far right links was never public knowledge. ...Crayford ... Sidcup... I recall a slight, well-dressed punk rocker called Glen from Sidcup who roamed around a predominantly BM audience at a gig in Deptford in 1979 singlehandedly beating skinheads senseless. It was quite satisfying to watch. Ever come across him? |
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Post by doug61 on Mar 4, 2021 16:01:44 GMT
Just finished reading the large cover feature on Street Punk/Oi in the latest Vive Le Rock that covers alot of what we have been discussing on here. Thanks Andy - I'll have a gander at that article Yeah, I read it, but a fair while back. Assume you are referring to GB and his alleged writiing for the NF newspaper. Think he sued over it and won but only got £1 damages which says rather a lot legally. GB has changed his politics so many times it's hard to keep track, he would routinely savage Ian Stuart and Skrewdriver in print, yet flirt with the imagery whenever it suited his agenda. There was also a difference at the time between Oi and it's links to punk which were considered "degenerate" to leading figures on the far right and skinhead bands that were more rock based. Oi seemed to become "Streetpunk" in a move to polish it's right wing history but for a lot of these people and their lyrical content it's just a case of scratching away the Union Flag to see the Swastika lying behind. As someone that got a good pasting from Crane and his chums one evening in Crayford high street I have no time for the morons, but also would be very much against banning non specifically Nazi music because the front cover features dear old Nicky and an unsubtle (GB still denies he knew what the title meant) title. A friend who's ex girlfriend lives in Sidcup a road away from where GB lives, says he casts rather a sad and shabby figure these days, walking his dog around the streets and living in a tatty house. Great points Doug
I can hear the sound of the nail hitting the head repeatedly
This article on Garry Bushell is quite amusing and insightful, and a bit of hatchet job from a somewhat smug journo, but still he's probably done the same thing to a few people in his time...
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Post by doug61 on Mar 4, 2021 16:12:34 GMT
...Crayford ... Sidcup... I recall a slight, well-dressed punk rocker called Glen from Sidcup who roamed around a predominantly BM audience at a gig in Deptford in 1979 singlehandedly beating skinheads senseless. It was quite satisfying to watch. Ever come across him? Can't say I did, I was just outside Dartford at that time. Can't remember many well dressed punks though. I come from Forest Hill originally though so went to gigs round the area, Was working nearish to the Marquee so ended up there a few times each week. |
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Post by zeopold on Mar 4, 2021 16:30:47 GMT
I recall a slight, well-dressed punk rocker called Glen from Sidcup who roamed around a predominantly BM audience at a gig in Deptford in 1979 singlehandedly beating skinheads senseless. It was quite satisfying to watch. Ever come across him? Can't say I did, I was just outside Dartford at that time. Can't remember many well dressed punks though. I come from Forest Hill originally though so went to gigs round the area, Was working nearish to the Marquee so ended up there a few times each week. I'm from Hampshire but for a while in 79 I hung around South London, particularly Deptford. Norm Fasey (who recently passed away) was involved in the original Punk 77 website, used to organise local gigs back in the day. He was in a band called New Devices. Other bands I remember from round there were Slug Squad, Shoot Straight at Right Angles, R21 and The Afflicted. A fair few bands from the area were connected with far right politics IIRC. |
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