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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 26, 2024 10:45:50 GMT
Post a "classic" (e.g. old or perhaps forgotten or neglected) album from yesteryear for your fellow TPers to discuss I'll kick things off with... :format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1211322-1394982329-4143.jpeg.jpg) Public Image: First Issue (1978)What did you think then? What do you think now? How well do you think it's stood up? How influential was it? Do you listen to it now? |
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Post by personunknown on Jul 26, 2024 11:07:03 GMT
I've always been conflicted with this album from it's first release to the present day. It is seminal as it is the first post punk album, including Lydon and Levene two original punkers of immaculate pedigree. But the actual music is patchy, which is down to bad recordings in a number of studios.
It was, admittedly, very uncommercial, and apart from the Public Image track, as an seventeen year old I struggled with it, I'd always favour Give Em Enough Rope and Crossing The Red Sea.
Lydon seemed to have a personal axe to grind lyrically which didn't interest me much at all.
5/10 then, 5/10 now.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 26, 2024 11:15:11 GMT
Thanks PU
Yes, agree with that to large extent At the time I was impressed by the cover art and Lydon's ability to so firmly draw a line under the Pistols and to move in a different direction, but it always felt rushed and incoherent - something Metal Box would address Fodderstompf reinforced this impression despite that brilliant bass line I've always liked Religion, Theme, and Annalisa though easy listening they ain't Low life, Attack and the aforementioned Fodderstomp not so much The debut single was brilliant then and is still brilliant today - an extraordinary song, or more like howl of anger and disgust at the way McClaren and Glitterbest treated him 7/10 then 6/10 now I haven't listened to the entire album for decades but I put on odd tracks from time to time especially Public Image which remains as good as it's ever been |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 29, 2024 10:44:57 GMT
Since finishing my reread of England's Dreaming I have been thinking about the Pistols So why not? Let's re-evaluate....
Never Mind The Bollocks (1977)
What did you think of it then? What do you think of it now? Do you play it much? What else?  |
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Post by personunknown on Jul 29, 2024 12:22:36 GMT
Still brilliant now as it was then. Don't see many original vinyl copies in the shop nowadays, so I've always got CD versions which sell well amongst all age groups.
An important historical document which sits alongside Sgt Pepper as a reflection of times we lived through.
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Post by stu77 on Jul 29, 2024 12:42:42 GMT
I don't listen to the Sex Pistols much.
When I do it's stuff like the Winterland live album or Silly Thing and No One Is Innocent.
Lydon hates the Bollocks production but I think that's why it's so strong and still sounds great and relevant.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 29, 2024 14:34:18 GMT
Undeniably brilliant
The perfect distillation of the Sex Pistol's mayfly career and, I suppose, the producer's art with its numerous wall of sound overdubs
Anyone prefer the Spunk demos to the actual album?
I don't but I have heard of many who do
In many ways a more traditional album than punk promised but it's John's sneering incendiary vocals and lyrics that mark it/them as a rupture from what had come before
By the time it came out we were over-familiar with the four singles so I recall it was Bodies, Liar, No Feelings, Problems, and Seventeen etc that really hit home
Fuck this and fuck that fuck it all and fuck the fucking brat was not the sort of lyric I'd grown up with and the 15 year old LE had already been all in for about a year and lapped it up
It certainly did not disappoint despite by no means being the first out of the block punk album-wise
These days I don't listen to it much but still get a visceral thrill when I put it on
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Post by personunknown on Jul 30, 2024 16:39:01 GMT
 Dirk Wears White Sox - Adam and the Ants This came in today and initially I was excited about giving it a spin, not heard it for years. But it has not aged well at all. An embarrassment to be perfectly honest, lacklustre songs and muddy production. There is no Plastic Surgery type tracks on here. What what were the band trying to achieve? There's a hint of Beefheart in there but risible lyrics, Man With Egg On His Face, Table Talk leave you cringing. 3/10 Silver lining is someone will buy it and I'll be a tenner better off. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 30, 2024 19:33:39 GMT
Yes, it didn't show the Ants at their best given they had a lot of other good songs
The production is quite weak as well
I like a few tunes e.g. Catholic Day
I'll give it another spin tomorrow to see what else occurs
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 31, 2024 9:21:13 GMT
 Yes, it didn't show the Ants at their best given they had a lot of other good songs The production is quite weak as well I like a few tunes e.g. Catholic Day I'll give it another spin tomorrow to see what else occurs I love Cartrouble (though the single version is the definitive version) and Cleopatra works for me too The music press, who generally hated The Ants, were quick to diss it though it subsequently seems to be well regarded and is seen as key influence on the goth scene |
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Post by jsm on Aug 7, 2024 3:30:44 GMT
Still brilliant now as it was then. Don't see many original vinyl copies in the shop nowadays, so I've always got CD versions which sell well amongst all age groups. An important historical document which sits alongside Sgt Pepper as a reflection of times we lived through. NMTB is still a brilliant album. I think I know what you mean PU, but it is a travesty to compare it to Sgt Peppers. The Pistols album arguably inspired legions of youngsters to listen to and play some decent rock n roll. That Sgt Peppers album was part of the bs that made punk necessary. It inspired legions of chancers to want to make an overproduced 'concept' album that is the antithesis of rock n roll. Even though I once owned a copy, I never really liked it. Probably The Beatles most boring LP |
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