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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 1, 2021 15:43:10 GMT
So we're talking the twee strain of indie that emerged in the mid 1980s
Stuff on Sarah Records, early Creation singles, Postcard Records etc
Who are your favourites?
What tracks are you especially partial to?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 1, 2021 15:44:59 GMT
I came across this suggestion on LTW and written by our old chum Ged....
The seeds of punk were sown far and wide and a dozen independent and very different variants bloomed – and one of them was the anorak/shambling Talulah Gosh strain
With the benefit of hindsight, it was arguably more radical and forward-looking than Goth or Discharge or Scritti Politti.
It stuck to the staunchly independent DIY label model of New Hormones, Fast and Postcard. (Creation and Factory were the ambitious exceptions).
It avoided explicit ‘politics’/protest -why preach to the converted?
It incorporated an instinctively natural kind of diversity – boys could reject machismo, girls could be androgynous – no-one was bothered as long as the music melded sixties idealism and punk energy and charity-shop Sixties chic.
What do you think?
Agree?
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Post by personunknown on Jan 1, 2021 16:19:33 GMT
Far too weedy in both sound and content. The Go Betweens Cattle and Cane won some award in Australia, one of the dullest, go nowhere songs ever.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 1, 2021 16:38:22 GMT
Gotta say I have a soft spot for quite a lot of it, for example this sub 2 minute classic... Primal Scream - Velocity Girl:format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-851627-1228560711.jpeg.jpg) |
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Post by stu77 on Jan 1, 2021 19:17:54 GMT
Always loved this
And this Sarah Records gem
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Post by andyloneshark on Jan 2, 2021 9:15:02 GMT
i found the whole 'Shoe Gaze/Twee' thing rather contrived and annoying but there were some good bands...
Helen Love were/are great, they brought some much needed humour to the genre... cracking tunes too...
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Post by zeopold on Jan 2, 2021 9:21:06 GMT
I was into 60s psych and then raving when all that insipid tripe was doing the rounds so thankfully it passed me by  |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 2, 2021 10:43:53 GMT
i found the whole 'Shoe Gaze/Twee' thing rather contrived and annoying but there were some good bands... Helen Love were/are great, they brought some much needed humour to the genre... cracking tunes too... I don't really know Helen Love but if that tune is typical then I should probably investigate It's a lot of fun |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 2, 2021 10:44:33 GMT
I was into 60s psych and then raving when all that insipid tripe was doing the rounds so thankfully it passed me by What do you think of Ged's assertion.... With the benefit of hindsight, it was arguably more radical and forward-looking than Goth or Discharge or Scritti Politti. It stuck to the staunchly independent DIY label model of New Hormones, Fast and Postcard. (Creation and Factory were the ambitious exceptions). It avoided explicit ‘politics’/protest -why preach to the converted? It incorporated an instinctively natural kind of diversity – boys could reject machismo, girls could be androgynous – no-one was bothered as long as the music melded sixties idealism and punk energy and charity-shop Sixties chic. |
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Post by personunknown on Jan 2, 2021 11:03:50 GMT
As radical as a bath sponge, lazy student music. As ever it was just a scene for the NME to promote well beyond its capabilities.The Music Inky papers never got over that they never 'discovered' punk before it took off.
The real radicals had gone off on the New Model Army/alt folk or raving in fields and warehouses route. Anarcho punk still existed too if you knew where to look for it.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 2, 2021 11:09:53 GMT
Thanks PU. A clear and unambiguous response.
In a way the scene can be viewed as a harbinger of many of today's youth. V tolerant and accepting of different ways of being. Or, in the modern parlance, snowflakes.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 2, 2021 11:17:31 GMT
I recently discovered the joys of Heavenly (who emerged from the ashes of Tallulah Gosh).
This is a goodie...
Heavenly – Trophy Girlfriend
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Post by zeopold on Jan 3, 2021 9:24:55 GMT
I was into 60s psych and then raving when all that insipid tripe was doing the rounds so thankfully it passed me by What do you think of Ged's assertion.... Ged's points, as always are articulate and well written but I don't agree with them. I agree with Pers. From the mid 80s onwards the music press tried to puff up their own importance by assigning a succession of bland, mediocre groups to phoney 'movements' they had made up. The only decent group I remember from that period was the La's. Thank goodness for Rave. Although it wasn't about bands it was for real and it came from the street. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 3, 2021 10:51:36 GMT
And of course Rave and Indie cross polinated to create Baggy as some Indie groups took E.
Primal Scream were the most notable beneficiaries.
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Post by zeopold on Jan 3, 2021 19:45:43 GMT
Primal Scream were the most notable beneficiaries. Initially a pretty run of the mill group who prolly wouldn't have amounted to much had it not been for Weatherall's makeover. Gillespie, to his credit, acknowledges this. |
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