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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 23, 2021 13:50:36 GMT
A thread to discuss Burning Britain by Ian Glasper which came up in the Chaos UK discussion
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 23, 2021 13:51:08 GMT
Yes, the book is named after the whole 'scene' but that scene has been historically revised as there was no such thing as 'UK82' The book alludes -somewhat crudely- to the reasons why the UK82 bands became what they became Someone should do an intelligent study of why they were representative of punk in the UK at the time Rimbaud has stated that they were part of a wider counter culture which Thatcherism wanted to destroy  Interesting. Thanks In your opinion:
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 23, 2021 13:53:06 GMT
This is what Mr Glasper covers...
THE SOUTHWEST: Vice Squad, Chaotic Dischord, Sex Aids, Dead Katss, Disorder, Chaos UK, Court Martial, Lunatic Fringe, The Undead, Demob and the Screaming Dead.
THE MIDLANDS: GBH, Dead Wretched, Drongos For Europe, Cadaverous Clan, Sensa Yuma, The Stench, The Varukers and The Samples.
THE NORTHWEST: Blitz, Attak, The Violators, Mayhem, Blitzkrieg, The Insane, The Fits, One Way System, Instant Agony, Newtown Neurotics, Anti Establishment, Chron Gen and UK Decay.
LONDON: UK Subs, The Wall, The Dark, Action Pact, Dead Mans Shadow, Erazerhead, The Straps, The Gonads, Cockney Rejects, The Business, The 4 Skins and The Ejected.
THE SOUTH: Anti Nowhere League, Peter And The Test Tube Babies, Ad Nauseam, Cult Maniax and Butcher
WALES: The Partisans, Picture Frame Seduction, Soldier Dolls and Foreign Legion.
NORTHERN IRELAND: The Defects and The Outcasts.
SCOTLAND: The Exploited, External Menace, Threats, Anti-Social, Bayonet Babies, The Skroteez, Ugen Kampf, Barbed Wire and Chaotic Youth.
THE LABELS: Riot City, No Future, Clay, Beat The System and Captain Oi.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 23, 2021 13:56:24 GMT
Just looking on the old site and found Rogue's review from Mon 13 August 2012..Finished this late last night. Very illuminating. Some really funny stories. Interesting piece regarding Discharge's lyrics where they (the band) state that the only one interested in the anti war themes was Cal himself and the rest of us' couldn't have given a fuck'
A great band but why do they say such silly things
Some classic bands with some classic tunes and I had totally forgotton about this very underated and overlooked band until they were mentioned in the Scottish chapter...
Absolutely top notchRogue then popped back in 2017 to say...Decided to dig this out after listening to Demob's 'Teenage Adolescence'.
That started me off digging out all the Riot City stuff too and the Punk & Disorderly LP's.
Great stuffwww.punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=471&start=15
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Post by andyloneshark on May 23, 2021 16:22:48 GMT
It's an essential book about UK Punk of the 80s, in that it covers all the genres. But it's mass popularity was on the wane from around 1983 onwards - bands like the UK Subs that could normally pull 1,000 people were now playing smaller venues and were releasing records in more limited numbers.
Good to see bands like The Dark and the Screaming Dead getting some decent coverage in the book. They were bucking the 'UK82' trend
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 16:27:11 GMT
Absolutely, the UK82 tag is a stupid, generic lazy tag.
I mean Dead Man's Shadow are included in it too.
I'd also question the wisdom of putting the UK Subs in it seeing as they formed in 1976.
However, it's still a good read.
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Post by jsm on May 23, 2021 23:43:12 GMT
The only record I ever bought from a band that would seem to belong to the scene covered in the book is Conflict's Increase The Pressure, but the band isn't mentioned?
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Post by andyloneshark on May 24, 2021 10:48:05 GMT
...i think that was because the publishers/writers decided that Anarcho-Punk that Conflict are often associated with is such a vast genre in itself, that it was worthy of a book in itself, which has since been published...  |
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Post by personunknown on May 24, 2021 12:12:39 GMT
The Day The Country Died is a great read. It is a great polemic on the era and addresses the conundrum of did the music create the times or did the times create the music?
Most* of the Anarcho lot get a mention, Crass, Flux of Pink Indians, Conflict, Flowers In The Dustbin, Zounds etc.
*What galls me after the fact, Glasper created two excellent, influential tomes which being niche books didn't make him a fortune and today he still gets criticism that somebody's band (who probably played less than half dozen gigs) doesn't get a mention.
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Post by doug61 on May 24, 2021 13:29:29 GMT
Got the anarcho punk one but not this one, will have to look out for a cheap copy.
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Post by personunknown on May 24, 2021 13:39:12 GMT
Roughly £15 and upwards for a used copy now, Doug.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:15:00 GMT
The only record I ever bought from a band that would seem to belong to the scene covered in the book is Conflict's Increase The Pressure, but the band isn't mentioned? Conflict probably 'outpunked' the'UK82' bands in that they took over their mantle but with more intelligent lyrics. Ditto Icons of Filth |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:20:35 GMT
The Day The Country Died is a great read. It is a great polemic on the era and addresses the conundrum of did the music create the times or did the times create the music? Most* of the Anarcho lot get a mention, Crass, Flux of Pink Indians, Conflict, Flowers In The Dustbin, Zounds etc. *What galls me after the fact, Glasper created two excellent, influential tomes which being niche books didn't make him a fortune and today he still gets criticism that somebody's band (who probably played less than half dozen gigs) doesn't get a mention. A bit of both I'd say PU. I mind Ian Glasper when he was called Slug when he played bass in his band Decadence Within. I never knew him personally but we were in the same orbit. He was a real scenester so it's a bit of a shame that people are giving him grief. His other book 'Trapped in a Scene' is also a great read. Covers a period when I was just leaving the punk scene. He also contributes for the hardcore mag 'Down by Law' so more power to his elbow.👍 |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:22:45 GMT
Got the anarcho punk one but not this one, will have to look out for a cheap copy. Aye, it's been out for an incredible 17 years and there's plenty on Ebay. Funnily enough, I re-read it in a couple of sessions after listening to a clutch of Riot Squad singles!! |
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