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Post by stu77 on Mar 29, 2022 19:56:00 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Apr 7, 2022 13:14:11 GMT
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Post by Billy Idle on Apr 10, 2022 8:08:49 GMT
Zelenskiy reckons Russia is targeting all of Europe with its aggression and that stopping the invasion of Ukraine is essential for the security of all democracies .
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Post by doug61 on Apr 10, 2022 13:56:37 GMT
Zelenskiy reckons Russia is targeting all of Europe with its aggression and that stopping the invasion of Ukraine is essential for the security of all democracies . Well Georgia has already seen "mission creep" from the parts already stolen by Russia into wider areas and the leader of the Russian Communist Party has been openly calling for "Russian speaking people" to be rescued from the Government of Kazakhstan. Some very nervous States around there now. |
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Post by zeopold on Apr 11, 2022 22:18:31 GMT
Zelenskiy reckons Russia is targeting all of Europe with its aggression and that stopping the invasion of Ukraine is essential for the security of all democracies . Some very nervous States around there now. They need to get their act together and fight back. The Ukrainians have shown it can be done. |
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Post by stu77 on Apr 11, 2022 23:12:41 GMT
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Post by doug61 on Apr 12, 2022 12:55:45 GMT
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Ukraine
Apr 12, 2022 22:29:13 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Apr 12, 2022 22:29:13 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 27, 2022 9:42:26 GMT
From the New Statesman...
The pivotal development this week is the newfound strength of Western support for Ukraine, and the increasingly instantaneous supply of weapons from the West to the Ukrainian front.
Yesterday, more than 40 countries met at the US air base in Ramstein, Germany to discuss Ukraine’s military needs. Lloyd Austin, the US defence secretary, concluded the conference by announcing the creation of the Ukraine Contact Group, an ongoing grouping of allies which will meet regularly to organise the supply of weapons to the Ukrainians, in an explicit effort to weaken the military capacity of Russia.
We have come a long way from the world of two months ago, when the Pentagon quickly distanced itself from a Polish plan to send MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine via Ramstein. I suggested at the time that the Western alliance would regret letting Kyiv fall and that history would be amazed that the West allowed a country as big, well led and potentially powerful as Ukraine to fight alone. The West seemed to be underestimating how much hinged on helping Ukraine immediately: if Putin failed, he could fall. If he succeeded, he would control the second-biggest country in Europe. It seemed that we should send every weapon we had, and that we should have sent it long ago.
Many of you likely agreed with that view at the time: the British public was always far more hawkish than the West’s politicians on moving to weaken Russia after Putin invaded. By three to one, Brits wanted us to send additional weaponry to Ukraine in February. Boris Johnson has since benefitted – or perhaps only won a temporary stay of execution – by riding that wave of public feeling.
Few politicians still air concerns about the West escalating the conflict by aiding Ukraine. Such talk died in the aftermath of Bucha. The Ukrainians have paid an unthinkable price while the West woke up to the Russian threat. But Western nations do, at last, appear to be fully alive to the world Putin has created, and ready to supply Ukraine with all it needs to survive.
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Post by doug61 on Apr 27, 2022 14:51:12 GMT
From the New Statesman... The pivotal development this week is the newfound strength of Western support for Ukraine, and the increasingly instantaneous supply of weapons from the West to the Ukrainian front. Yesterday, more than 40 countries met at the US air base in Ramstein, Germany to discuss Ukraine’s military needs. Lloyd Austin, the US defence secretary, concluded the conference by announcing the creation of the Ukraine Contact Group, an ongoing grouping of allies which will meet regularly to organise the supply of weapons to the Ukrainians, in an explicit effort to weaken the military capacity of Russia. We have come a long way from the world of two months ago, when the Pentagon quickly distanced itself from a Polish plan to send MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine via Ramstein. I suggested at the time that the Western alliance would regret letting Kyiv fall and that history would be amazed that the West allowed a country as big, well led and potentially powerful as Ukraine to fight alone. The West seemed to be underestimating how much hinged on helping Ukraine immediately: if Putin failed, he could fall. If he succeeded, he would control the second-biggest country in Europe. It seemed that we should send every weapon we had, and that we should have sent it long ago. Many of you likely agreed with that view at the time: the British public was always far more hawkish than the West’s politicians on moving to weaken Russia after Putin invaded. By three to one, Brits wanted us to send additional weaponry to Ukraine in February. Boris Johnson has since benefitted – or perhaps only won a temporary stay of execution – by riding that wave of public feeling. Few politicians still air concerns about the West escalating the conflict by aiding Ukraine. Such talk died in the aftermath of Bucha. The Ukrainians have paid an unthinkable price while the West woke up to the Russian threat. But Western nations do, at last, appear to be fully alive to the world Putin has created, and ready to supply Ukraine with all it needs to survive. The US didn't mind backfilling Polish planes, but when Poland said the wanted them to go from US air bases, America said no. They didn't want to be seen sending planes to Ukraine from their own bases, they will only back fill other planes to other countries so they have a form of plausible deniability. They want to fight the "proxy" war (which of course it is) but keep their hands clean. A bit chicken shit really. Russia doesn't want all Ukraine, they can't possibly afford to occupy it full strength with an unwelcoming population, they will destroy it and then take the two breakaway regions hoping that sanctions will ease over time. Their plans are to steal bits of many of the breakaway States as they have done in Georgia and Moldova (and now Ukraine), wait for the heat to die down and then take them bit by bit. Can't see that giving Ukraine weapons at this stage do much good unless they are offensive weapons such as jets and tanks. Russia has effectively won the war already no matter how much Western media attempt to push a different message. |
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Post by personunknown on May 10, 2022 12:01:48 GMT
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Post by zeopold on May 10, 2022 12:37:43 GMT
I now stand firmly with Putin  |
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Post by stu77 on May 17, 2022 20:16:20 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 27, 2022 5:48:14 GMT
Speech from Zelensky, enough said. Some of us suspect this dude is just a willing pawn in a superpower game who is sacrificing his own nation for his own advancement. How does that work, Stu? What's the theory here? That comment has got me intrigued Stu Are you suggesting he and the Ukrainians should just roll over and welcome the Russians in? Or does it go deeper than that? |
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Post by stu77 on Jun 27, 2022 11:03:15 GMT
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