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Post by doug61 on Jun 27, 2022 12:15:45 GMT
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the internal Ukraine, you can't let democratically elected States be re inserted into a remade Soviet Union. Make no mistake, Putin and Russia would not stop at Ukraine, no more than when they said they only wanted Crimea. They have already followed the Hitler template of taking parts of other States under the excuse that they "want to be Russian" (even though even pro Russia areas voted for Independence). NATO is only a threat to a expansionist Russia. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 27, 2022 13:29:24 GMT
I'm not gonna pretend to know enough to argue the point That said, based on what I do know, I agree with Doug. Plus I suspect Putin would have found an excuse to invade no matter what. Surely this is all on Putin? |
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Post by stu77 on Jun 27, 2022 18:24:29 GMT
Is it worth a nuclear war?
In my opinion,no.
Putin probably tells his people that Britain and America invade who they like so why can't we.
The whole lot of them are cockroaches using us plebs as pawns.
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Post by doug61 on Jun 28, 2022 14:26:21 GMT
Is it worth a nuclear war? In my opinion,no. Putin probably tells his people that Britain and America invade who they like so why can't we. The whole lot of them are cockroaches using us plebs as pawns. Thing is that we spent a few years saying "is it worth a world war" in the late 1930's. You still have to do something in the end unless you give them complete carte blanche out of fear of confrontation. That is what Putin counts on and why he is forever getting his people to bring up the subject of nukes. We have a country Russia which is currently involved not just in invasion, murder and destruction of a sovereign state but is also effectively forcing people into "Mother Russia" and no doubt re educating them. Can't just turn a blind eye to it. We've been down that path before. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 28, 2022 14:51:14 GMT
Is it worth a nuclear war? In my opinion,no. Putin probably tells his people that Britain and America invade who they like so why can't we. The whole lot of them are cockroaches using us plebs as pawns. Thing is that we spent a few years saying "is it worth a world war" in the late 1930's. You still have to do something in the end unless you give them complete carte blanche out of fear of confrontation. That is what Putin counts on and why he is forever getting his people to bring up the subject of nukes. We have a country Russia which is currently involved not just in invasion, murder and destruction of a sovereign state but is also effectively forcing people into "Mother Russia" and no doubt re educating them. Can't just turn a blind eye to it. We've been down that path before. Plus of course messing around with other democratic countries and causing mischief eg Brexit, Trump, Alexander Litvinenko, Salisbury |
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Post by stu77 on Jul 30, 2022 22:28:21 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Aug 6, 2022 22:51:08 GMT
Screams from soldiers being tortured, overflowing cells, inhuman conditions, a regime of intimidation and murder. Inedible gruel, no communication with the outside world, and days marked off with a home-made calendar written on a box of tea. This, according to a prisoner who was there, is what conditions are like inside Olenivka, the notorious detention centre outside Donetsk where dozens of Ukrainian soldiers burned to death in a horrific episode late last month while in Russian captivity. www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/06/russian-prison-camp-ukrainians-deaths-donetsk |
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Post by stu77 on Aug 21, 2022 4:29:39 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Aug 21, 2022 14:47:36 GMT
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Post by doug61 on Aug 21, 2022 15:05:47 GMT
Maybe not as cut and dry as it seems though. Good little piece. www.spectator.co.uk/article/alexander-dugin-darya-putin-russia-ukraine-assassinationloved this bit: "We likely will see some hurried arrests. No doubt there will be video footage of Federal Security Service officers bursting into a flat artfully staged with some bomb-making equipment, a gun, a teach-yourself-Ukrainian handbook, some US dollars and, maybe, a volume of Shakespeare (seriously: one was used as ‘evidence’ of the presence of British mercenaries fighting for Ukraine, as we all know squaddies are mad for a little King Lear)." |
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Post by stu77 on Aug 21, 2022 16:26:57 GMT
^^^^^ Yeah Russia is well into false flags as we know from the apartment bombings.
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Post by stu77 on Sept 12, 2022 19:45:52 GMT
Seems that every time I tune into LBC or Times Radio this last few days they are discussing Putin possibly going nuclear. And they are deadly serious.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 21:13:12 GMT
Seems that every time I tune into LBC or Times Radio this last few days they are discussing Putin possibly going nuclear. And they are deadly serious. I don't think so. In my opinion, the worst case scenario might be the deployment (and sabre-rattling)of tactical nuclear weapons. Fear is the most powerful weapon in this conflict. |
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Post by zeopold on Sept 12, 2022 21:38:15 GMT
Putz has no qualms about pushing the button. His health is failing and he wants to go down in history. He imagines he's Peter the Great, but Beria is nearer the mark  |
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