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Apr 9, 2022 9:00:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 9:00:20 GMT
Not meant to be a depressing subject as I find it can be very useful just to talk about it.
As it happens to everyone it shouldn't be feared.
Both my parents died a while back now but I see a lot of friends of mines folks going now too and it's been shattering for them.
Any thoughts on this anyone?
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Apr 9, 2022 9:33:34 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 9, 2022 9:33:34 GMT
Rationally I know it’s part of the cycle of existence and I like to think I’m ready for it but I hope I don’t go for a while yet, at least while I’m still healthy
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Apr 9, 2022 9:42:43 GMT
Post by zeopold on Apr 9, 2022 9:42:43 GMT
No point in fearing the inevitable
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 9:45:28 GMT
Absolutely,it's all about embracing life. As an NHS worker death is all around.
It can be a humbling experience speaking to patients who are in palliative care.
Spiritually,the connection between time and death is fascinating. So much so you sometimes think did those events of 30 or 40 years ago actually happen? Yes they did!
I'm getting to a time where I'll be nearing the age whereby my mother died(she was 59)which is quite scary but also mind-boggling.
It begs the question. What's in a life?
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Post by politician2 on Apr 9, 2022 10:50:59 GMT
I find the concept of non-existence extremely frightening. As a result, I intend to be cryonically preserved when it does happen. Isle of Man law permits trust wills, meaning I can leave everything to myself so (with any luck) I won't have to go back out to work if and when I come back. However, the maximum term of a trust will here is 125 years, so if I returned to life after 126+ years I'd have to start from scratch. On the plus side, I'm a professional writer and experienced public speaker, so I should be able to make a decent living from writing books and giving after-dinner speeches about life in the 20th and 21st centuries.
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Post by doug61 on Apr 10, 2022 13:43:26 GMT
I have no problem with the idea of dying, especially since poor health made in difficult to do lots of the things I took for granted such as going to gigs/football etc., a somewhat sedentary existence does get rather tedious at times. I think like most people it's not dying it's how you die and how unpleasant it is that becomes the great fear. We should be a more enlightened society and allow those to end themselves in a pleasant narcotic haze once death becomes a painful certainty. the only reason we don't allow it is because of outmoded religious beliefs and ridiculous arguments about "being forced to do it by relatives" that do not stand up to scrutiny.
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Post by stu77 on Apr 10, 2022 13:57:40 GMT
To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep, No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub: For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause—there's the respect That makes calamity of so long life. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely, The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th'unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry And lose the name of action.
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Post by personunknown on Apr 10, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
My Mother died from cancer three years ago. After she had received the diagnosis, she ensured that the rest of the family followed her wishes of no treatment whatsoever, no chemo etc. She passed away peacefully at home on a morphine drip watching the squirrels in the back garden.
I don't want to go suddenly, just time enough to delete my browsing history.
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Post by politician2 on Apr 10, 2022 15:45:00 GMT
I have no problem with the idea of dying, especially since poor health made in difficult to do lots of the things I took for granted such as going to gigs/football etc., a somewhat sedentary existence does get rather tedious at times. I think like most people it's not dying it's how you die and how unpleasant it is that becomes the great fear. We should be a more enlightened society and allow those to end themselves in a pleasant narcotic haze once death becomes a painful certainty. the only reason we don't allow it is because of outmoded religious beliefs and ridiculous arguments about "being forced to do it by relatives" that do not stand up to scrutiny. Sorry to hear about your health problems, Doug. I agree entirely that the religious lobby should not be able to prevent assisted dying in a country that is now overwhelmingly secular.
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Apr 10, 2022 19:14:48 GMT
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Post by smogquixote on Apr 10, 2022 19:14:48 GMT
It’s alright, I don’t mind
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Post by smogquixote on Apr 10, 2022 19:16:14 GMT
I have no problem with the idea of dying, especially since poor health made in difficult to do lots of the things I took for granted such as going to gigs/football etc., a somewhat sedentary existence does get rather tedious at times. I think like most people it's not dying it's how you die and how unpleasant it is that becomes the great fear. We should be a more enlightened society and allow those to end themselves in a pleasant narcotic haze once death becomes a painful certainty. the only reason we don't allow it is because of outmoded religious beliefs and ridiculous arguments about "being forced to do it by relatives" that do not stand up to scrutiny. Excellent point raised re: right to die It’s absurd that we allow our pets the privilege of dying without protracted pain but we humans are forced to burn out in some bed staring at death as it washes over us like the tide.
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Post by jsm on Apr 10, 2022 23:03:06 GMT
A serious subject but I had expected that this would be a thread about the black proto-punk band from Detroit
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 21:22:22 GMT
I have no problem with the idea of dying, especially since poor health made in difficult to do lots of the things I took for granted such as going to gigs/football etc., a somewhat sedentary existence does get rather tedious at times. I think like most people it's not dying it's how you die and how unpleasant it is that becomes the great fear. We should be a more enlightened society and allow those to end themselves in a pleasant narcotic haze once death becomes a painful certainty. the only reason we don't allow it is because of outmoded religious beliefs and ridiculous arguments about "being forced to do it by relatives" that do not stand up to scrutiny. I think the biggest fear that I have of death is the hurt that it leaves behind. The human condition-for decent people- isn't built for grieving despite what people say about learning to 'live' with it. Also the idea that you wouldn't be able to enjoy what you like doing anymore through non existence is mortifying. That said, I'm relatively fit and active so I'm not ready for the wooden overcoat yet all being well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 19:42:20 GMT
I was in Ireland all last week due to Mrs Roguepunk's elderly aunt and cousin dying within 2 weeks of each other.
A very, very sad time for Mrs RP and her family. The Irish have a philosophical outlook on death and even though I'm an athiest I took a bit of heart from the priest's mass. Something, I never thought I'd write.
Even though death is often the death knell literally for families insofar that parents are often the glue that holds a family together, there seems to be a faith in the act of dying more so in Ireland than in Scotland.
It's as if they know where they're going.
Unusually, one of the funerals was a cremation due to the fact that one of the deceased didn't want to be buried due to their aversion to spiders!
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Post by smogquixote on Apr 22, 2022 23:53:31 GMT
I was in Ireland all last week due to Mrs Roguepunk's elderly aunt and cousin dying within 2 weeks of each other. A very, very sad time for Mrs RP and her family. The Irish have a philosophical outlook on death and even though I'm an athiest I took a bit of heart from the priest's mass. Something, I never thought I'd write. Even though death is often the death knell literally for families insofar that parents are often the glue that holds a family together, there seems to be a faith in the act of dying more so in Ireland than in Scotland. It's as if they know where they're going. Unusually, one of the funerals was a cremation due to the fact that one of the deceased didn't want to be buried due to their aversion to spiders! Condolences to Mrs. RP! I like to think I don’t and won’t fear the day when it comes but when I worked on the wards I met people who faced death with less doubt and more confidence than I face life with so I could be lying to myself, lol.
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