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Post by zeopold on Aug 30, 2022 20:51:32 GMT
His near-contemporaries Pliny and Tacitus regarded him otherwise. I certainly don't think the "real" Jesus, if he existed, was in any way an immortal or extraterrestrial being Me neither, but I'm willing to bet he didn't look like Bjorn Borg. |
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Aug 30, 2022 20:58:29 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 30, 2022 20:58:29 GMT
I certainly don't think the "real" Jesus, if he existed, was in any way an immortal or extraterrestrial being Me neither, but I'm willing to bet he didn't look like Bjorn Borg. Agreed. If he existed, he would have had a swarthy, Middle Eastern appearance. Though if he were actually a supernatural being, then I suppose all bets are off. |
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Aug 30, 2022 21:22:57 GMT
Post by wardance on Aug 30, 2022 21:22:57 GMT
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Aug 30, 2022 21:24:49 GMT
Post by wardance on Aug 30, 2022 21:24:49 GMT
There's plenty of these videos out there......
Could have posted in one of many threads on here.
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Aug 31, 2022 5:57:21 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 31, 2022 5:57:21 GMT
A scary look into a scary world
Er...thanks wardance
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Aug 31, 2022 7:51:41 GMT
Post by zeopold on Aug 31, 2022 7:51:41 GMT
My 12 year old nephew is always on Tik Tok... follows that **** Andrew Tate  |
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Aug 31, 2022 8:22:55 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 31, 2022 8:22:55 GMT
My 12 year old nephew is always on Tik Tok... follows that **** Andrew Tate Not any more she doesn't He was recently banned Andrew Tate, a social media sensation for some time, has been banned from YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. The bans were put in place because of a campaign that touted Tate as being damaging to his primarily young audience. Tate also closed his Hustlers University affiliate marketing program immediately after the bans took place.
"Misogyny is a hateful ideology that is not tolerated on TikTok"www.forbes.com/sites/joshwilson/2022/08/30/the-downfall-of-andrew-tate-and-its-implications/ |
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Aug 31, 2022 8:25:50 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 31, 2022 8:25:50 GMT
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Aug 31, 2022 8:31:16 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 31, 2022 8:31:16 GMT
The solution suddenly struck me too What are adverts designed to do? Sell products and services So even if minorites make up a relatively small percentage of the population they are still an important demographic, see also the Pink Pound etc. With that in mind, it's little wonder that advertisers want as many people as possible to see themselves represented. It's also why many ads are so multi-generational as well. Adverts are not meant to be an accurate represenation of the country, adverts are meant to sell stuff to as wider group as possible. The more generic the product (e.g. fast food, supermarkets, holiday companies, insurers, financial services) the broader they want the ad's reach to be. Obvious when you think about it Case closed Not really, no. You're absolutely right: you would indeed expect minorities to be overrepresented in advertising to some extent (and I speak from experience, having been a copywriter from the mid-eighties onwards). They always have been. But not to the extent where 3% of the population makes up nearly 50% of the people in commercials. That is something new, different, and frankly odd. It's even odder that it's specifically black people, as I have noted, and not other ethnic minorities. Your ad experience means you know all marketing decisions are commercially driven It's clearly not just some "odd" quirk or whim There's a reason and it involves specific marketing objectives on the part of the advertisers |
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Post by zeopold on Aug 31, 2022 8:38:25 GMT
My 12 year old nephew is always on Tik Tok... follows that **** Andrew Tate He was recently banned He's on Rumble now, apparently... whack-a-mole. |
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Aug 31, 2022 8:53:50 GMT
Post by doug61 on Aug 31, 2022 8:53:50 GMT
Until we achieve the promised land I'll take over-representation on a few TV ads (not that I've noticed this - it's Pol's perception) No, this is not my "perception". It's the reality – consistent across channels and across different commercial breaks. As Doug said, he's clearly noted it too and finds it as bizarre as I do. Just have a look next time you watch TV. The thing is though, did it bother you as much, the whole rest of your life when there was chronic under representation of ethnicity in advertising?? Was it an issue to you in the same way then? I'm guessing not. I didn't find it "bizarre" by the way, that implies judgement, I found it amusing that the companies making the adverts are so "woke". As I say, I hope we will see levelling out after a period of readjustment. The problem is that this period is making some white middle class men claim the most ridiculous of things (white replacement theory in the US) without being able to see it for what it really is. Anyone who is upset about it now must accept their hypocrisy in not caring a jot when it was the other way around for centuries in books and other media of the times. |
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Post by zeopold on Aug 31, 2022 9:08:46 GMT
No, this is not my "perception". It's the reality – consistent across channels and across different commercial breaks. As Doug said, he's clearly noted it too and finds it as bizarre as I do. Just have a look next time you watch TV. As I say, I hope we will see levelling out after a period of readjustment. Don't hold your breath. Ads and TV shows are just window dressing. I'd define 'readjustment' according to more tangible criteria such as the pigs waiting for blacks to actually break the law before nicking them. |
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Aug 31, 2022 9:11:35 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 31, 2022 9:11:35 GMT
The thing is though, did it bother you as much, the whole rest of your life when there was chronic under representation of ethnicity in advertising?? Was it an issue to you in the same way then? I'm guessing not. I didn't find it "bizarre" by the way, that implies judgement, I found it amusing that the companies making the adverts are so "woke". As I say, I hope we will see levelling out after a period of readjustment. The problem is that this period is making some white middle class men claim the most ridiculous of things (white replacement theory in the US) without being able to see it for what it really is. Anyone who is upset about it now must accept their hypocrisy in not caring a jot when it was the other way around for centuries in books and other media of the times. I'm not convinced there actually was chronic under-representation. I suspect the previous level of representation was probably more accurate, given that black people make up 3% of the UK population (i.e. every thirty-third person in an ad would be black). I also agree you with that this is more about "wokeness" than a clear commercial judgement, as Lord E suggests: of course the commercial judgement could be that "wokeness" is good for business. As for the "great replacement", that truly is an idiotic conspiracy theory, but then most conspiracy theories are idiotic. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 31, 2022 9:19:47 GMT
No, this is not my "perception". It's the reality – consistent across channels and across different commercial breaks. As Doug said, he's clearly noted it too and finds it as bizarre as I do. Just have a look next time you watch TV. The thing is though, did it bother you as much, the whole rest of your life when there was chronic under representation of ethnicity in advertising?? Was it an issue to you in the same way then? I'm guessing not. I didn't find it "bizarre" by the way, that implies judgement, I found it amusing that the companies making the adverts are so "woke". As I say, I hope we will see levelling out after a period of readjustment. The problem is that this period is making some white middle class men claim the most ridiculous of things (white replacement theory in the US) without being able to see it for what it really is. Anyone who is upset about it now must accept their hypocrisy in not caring a jot when it was the other way around for centuries in books and other media of the times. Hard to remember how I felt now. I doubt I gave it much thought. Not that it's particularly relevant. It would be more instructive to ask people in minority groups how they felt at the time. I was struck by hearing the likes of Norman Jay and Jazzie B retrospectively talking about their upbringings and what big news it was amongst the black community when a black person was on TV. People would ring each other up and say "Turn your TV on now" Imagine the main representation of your community being The Black and White Minstrel Show which was on primetime BBC until late into the 1970s Perhaps it's all of that which makes me happy to see greater representation in the modern era? Surely to some degree we're all happy to see it right? As I commented to Pol, I am not sure Ad Agencies and the companies they represent are "so woke". Their decision making is driven by commercial considerations. On some level they clearly believe that they will generate more sales as a consequence of their choices. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 31, 2022 9:31:16 GMT
The thing is though, did it bother you as much, the whole rest of your life when there was chronic under representation of ethnicity in advertising?? Was it an issue to you in the same way then? I'm guessing not. I didn't find it "bizarre" by the way, that implies judgement, I found it amusing that the companies making the adverts are so "woke". As I say, I hope we will see levelling out after a period of readjustment. The problem is that this period is making some white middle class men claim the most ridiculous of things (white replacement theory in the US) without being able to see it for what it really is. Anyone who is upset about it now must accept their hypocrisy in not caring a jot when it was the other way around for centuries in books and other media of the times. I'm not convinced there actually was chronic under-representation. I suspect the previous level of representation was probably more accurate, given that black people make up 3% of the UK population (i.e. every thirty-third person in an ad would be black). I also agree you with that this is more about "wokeness" than a clear commercial judgement, as Lord E suggests: of course the commercial judgement could be that "wokeness" is good for business. As for the "great replacement", that truly is an idiotic conspiracy theory, but then most conspiracy theories are idiotic. When are you talking Pol when you say you don't believe there was chronic under-representation? In the 1970s you rarely saw a black person on the TV except on music and football programmes (and even then it was rare) I don't really remember it changing to any degree until the 2000s.
There was the odd programme (e.g. Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and there was Desmonds with Norman Beaton) but they were few and far between Otherwise there were odd characters like Huggy Bear in Starsky and Hutch and their boss - and dear old Lenny Henry too.
I don't ever recall seeing black or ethnic minorities in TV ads or on billboards during the 70s and 80s, and not really in the 90s either
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