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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 16:50:17 GMT
Agree - for those in the know, especially obsessives like us, his descent from icon to caricature to attention seeking Trump fan boy, is depressing Although I daresay he also still has quite a few fans who don't care about that stuff Yer average Joanna though knows very little and about him and cares even less. Just doing a mental run through of everyone in my family (siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews) and doubt any of them, apart from me, could come up with anything but the most basic info - and that's who most obituaries are aimed at The last thing I'm obsessive about is Lydon. On the contary, I find him quite an odious person. When I was a teenage punk he was one of the people who I thought could make a difference to the world. Funny how wrong you could be. However, back then the Pistols and what they represented collectively did point me in the right direction. And that's the thing he's completely wrong about in his aging narcissism and that's his influence...it was a team effort. History should remember it as that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 16:56:13 GMT
The obits won't be mentioning the stuff we here know about , the alleged racist violence, the alleged assault of a woman. The pathetic behaviour of his flunkeys towards regular working people. How does he get away with it?? A fucking awful human being and it gives me no pleasure to view him this way. I think him and that Rambo guy are quite pathetic with their aging hardman persona. The staff at the Pavilion Theatre in Glasgow saw Lydon's crew off and they usually deal with pensioners going to see afternoon whodunnits and weans going to the panto.😄 It's neither impressive or scary. Just totally embarrassing. A pair of old tits. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 3, 2023 17:41:37 GMT
The last thing I'm obsessive about is Lydon I meant everyone here is, to varying degrees a music obsessive and a punk obsessive In the grand scheme of things there aren't that many of us. Most people are far more detached |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 20:58:35 GMT
I'm not obsessive about punk either, interested yes.
Makes you wonder though( back to the original point), if Strummer would have protected his legacy like Cook, Matlock and Vanian or became another aging narcissistic mouthpiece going on about what they did nearly 50 years ago.🤔
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Post by stuw on Jan 4, 2023 19:28:26 GMT
I don't know why we have steered away from Joe on here...without Lydons lyrics would we be here...maybe the damned and the clash would have started something..I dunno..Without that shop, that little shop, Lydon..and cook, jones and matlock..we wouldn't be talking about it...and Joe for that matter ..and we should be talking about Joe...a mass of contradictions himself..most of them not "punk"..but I miss him..
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Post by stuw on Jan 4, 2023 19:36:05 GMT
I think we try and elevate people, and put expectations on them that they can never live up to and we do it when these guys were 20 years old, cut them some slack, we all get old..and we all say things that the person next to us has a hump with....I doesn't matter, In the grand scheme..Lydon, and Strummer changed my life for the better....and that's all I can judge them them on, they enriched me..and I love them dearly for it.
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Post by stuw on Jan 4, 2023 19:42:50 GMT
Roguey...you say that when Joe died...it didn't really affect you at all - what the fuck are you doing on a site like this, I know you are a long timer...but really...what brought you here? in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 22:51:45 GMT
I don't know why we have steered away from Joe on here...without Lydons lyrics would we be here...maybe the damned and the clash would have started something..I dunno..Without that shop, that little shop, Lydon..and cook, jones and matlock..we wouldn't be talking about it...and Joe for that matter ..and we should be talking about Joe...a mass of contradictions himself..most of them not "punk"..but I miss him.. Lydon's lyrics definitely didn't politicise me. Neither did the Clash. What they did do was point me in the right direction however. There's lots of people became and remained punk's...outside of Lydon's lyrics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 22:53:46 GMT
I think we try and elevate people, and put expectations on them that they can never live up to and we do it when these guys were 20 years old, cut them some slack, we all get old..and we all say things that the person next to us has a hump with....I doesn't matter, In the grand scheme..Lydon, and Strummer changed my life for the better....and that's all I can judge them them on, they enriched me..and I love them dearly for it. That's true. Some people need stars and heroes. Personally, I couldn't give a fuck if you were in a band or not. The best people I've met through punk have invariably never been in bands. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 22:58:44 GMT
Roguey...you say that when Joe died...it didn't really affect you at all - what the fuck are you doing on a site like this, I know you are a long timer...but really...what brought you here? in the first place? Not the Clash. Why would his death affect me personally, I never knew him at all. I think you've obviously fell in love with a public persona and not a real person. As for being on a punk site and not crying because Joe Strummer dying, that's the silliest thing I've ever heard😄 How well did you know him? People can inspire and change things in lots of different ways, it's purely subjective to who it was... |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 7:55:23 GMT
Musical deaths that really moved me - and still do
Marc Bolan
Joe Strummer
David Bowie
Terry Hall
Still not over any of them
Of course I never knew any of them but that doesn't really matter
They were all very important figures in my life who meant a lot
Whose death(s) touched you in this way?
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Post by personunknown on Jan 5, 2023 8:11:22 GMT
Lennon's death was a bit of a blow to me. Even though his later recordings were more pop orientated, he was still a figure of intelligent importance and to be taken by a person who was a product of a diseased America made me very angry. Closer to home, Mensi. After we had put the Upstarts on in Scarborough, we had real laughs with Thomas and the band into the early hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 8:16:35 GMT
Musical deaths that really moved me - and still do Marc Bolan Joe Strummer David Bowie Terry Hall Still not over any of them Of course I never knew any of them but that doesn't really matter They were all very important figures in my life who meant a lot Whose death(s) touched you in this way? Ian Dury Joe Strummer Pete Shelley Terry Hall Mensi
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 8:30:15 GMT
Musical deaths that really moved me - and still do Marc Bolan Joe Strummer David Bowie Terry Hall Still not over any of them Of course I never knew any of them but that doesn't really matter They were all very important figures in my life who meant a lot Whose death(s) touched you in this way? They might mean a lot in a small, almost insignificant way as public figures but they don't have the same emotional connection as family or friends. It's completely different, as Stu states people(including him)need heroes and people who they can look up to without even knowing them emotionally. As for me, I think the people whose deaths affected me as a human being are probably not for public consumption. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 8:32:27 GMT
Out of all the punk figures recently I was very saddened by Mensi as I had met him a few times.
A warm and decent man. A right bonny lad.👍
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