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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 8:41:50 GMT
Out of all the punk figures recently I was very saddened by Mensi as I had met him a few times. A warm and decent man. A right bonny lad.👍 Yes, Mensi should be on my list too. Sorted.
For me it's not about knowing them or hero worship but my respect and thanks for their contribution to my life, be it musical, ethical, political etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 8:50:28 GMT
Absolutely,people have influences from all walks of lives.
However, I've never been one to put a musician's persona above everyone else. Sometimes, the real person is different from the image or what people think they are.
I'd be lying to say that Joe Strummer's death affected me in any way-it didn't. Not because I didn't like early Clash, other people and influences resonated more.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 12:38:56 GMT
Musical deaths that really moved me - and still do Marc Bolan Joe Strummer David Bowie Terry Hall Still not over any of them Of course I never knew any of them but that doesn't really matter They were all very important figures in my life who meant a lot Whose death(s) touched you in this way? They might mean a lot in a small, almost insignificant way as public figures but they don't have the same emotional connection as family or friends. It's completely different, as Stu states people (including him) need heroes and people who they can look up to without even knowing them emotionally. As for me, I think the people whose deaths affected me as a human being are probably not for public consumption. Of course the deaths of close friends and family are more devastating than people we don't know but, as we all have now acknowledged, we can all feel a strong emotional response to losing a public figure who touched us for whatever reason For music obsessives, a musical hero around during the tumultous teenage years, and beyond, is very likely to assume significant status for the people who connect emotionally
I still miss...
Marc Bolan
Joe Strummer
David Bowie
Terry Hall
..and feel sad about them not being around
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 12:50:32 GMT
I wouldn't compare the two on an emotional level but what I would say that a connection becomes more acute if you get to know people and see them for what they are either good or bad.
People are in bands are like any human beings. Some are sincere and some are horrible, narcissistic bastards.
Considering punk was supposed to be the anthesis of corporate rock, you just look at some people and you just know they're utter frauds.
I would leave the hero worship to the kids personally.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 12:58:33 GMT
Dunno if it was hero worship when I was in my teens
Definitely role models though and something to aspire to
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Post by andyloneshark on Jan 5, 2023 13:54:57 GMT
For me, this was one of the best ever interviews with Joe.
Very candid, funny and honest about his own flaws and failures, particularly with regard to the demise of the Clash.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 13:58:16 GMT
Dunno if it was hero worship when I was in my teens Definitely role models though and something to aspire to I wouldn't have seen them as 'role' models either personally. What they did provide was an alternative way at looking at the world. This can be appealing especially if you have fuck all else. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 14:03:09 GMT
Role models in some ways
Different from parents and other authority figures
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 15:10:33 GMT
All kids admire famous people. The good thing about punk was it was something to relate to and supposed to be beyond that.
I always gravitated to Cook and Jones because they didn't need an image and displayed an honesty that I could relate to.
The 'lefty' image created by Strummer(and to be fair, partly by the media)just seemed too phony and contrived to me.
It didn't mean that Strummer wasn't sincere in some of the things he said although I would argue that he wasn't in the job of making socialists anyway.
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