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Post by stu77 on Dec 22, 2022 4:26:10 GMT
I remember finding out on Teletext. Punk Legend Strummer Dies I think was the headline. I confess I thought it might be suicide - there was a lot of it about then , and now of course. 50 seemed far too young for a natural death. I was still drinking then and there were a few tears over Christmas when I had his music on. My life going to shit being another reason, as it seriously had been since late '99, for various reasons. Joe was one of those people whose mere presence in the world was some kind of reassurance to people like me who struggled to adapt to the 21st century. Listening to his BBC World Service show and seeing him live in '99 and welcoming the new music, hoping I may meet him one day.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 22, 2022 7:19:34 GMT
Lovely post Stu
I still miss Joe too
Such a positive and passionate presence ✊🏻
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 10:17:17 GMT
I was at work when the news broke and somebody told me. I remember walking home in a daze and on the way I stopped to talk to a homeless guy that I often gave my change to and had a chat with. I passed on the sad news as I knew he had an interest in punk and he offered me some Quality Street from a tin. I walked the rest of the way home and burst into tears as soon as I got home and told the Mrs. Some deaths hit you harder than others.
Here's a photo I took at V2000 -
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Post by personunknown on Dec 22, 2022 11:19:40 GMT
The day after I was on a Stop The War march in Nottingham. Despite the December cold I wore my jacket open to show off my slightly ragged Sandinista t shirt. Complete stranger came up to me and asked if I'd heard the news. I nodded yes and spontaneously we just hugged each other.
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Post by stuw on Dec 22, 2022 20:01:04 GMT
Twenty years ago…how did that happen. I had broken up for Christmas and was going for my first lunchtime session of the holidays, glad at last to be free from my office for a week or so. Pretty much as soon as I entered my local a friend, Scott, asked “Have you heard?”. “Heard what?” I said “Strummers dead, but it might be a rumour, I haven’t seen it on the news or anything” he replied. “He can’t be dead” I thought and clung to the possibility that it was indeed just a rumour. Nobody else made mention of it so as the afternoon wore on I was pretty certain, yeah it’s a mistake, but I better get home in time for the news, just incase. And I did.. and bang it was true. I’ve never felt devastation of loss for someone I’ve never met but I came pretty bloody close at that moment. Shock, sadness, loss and a huge feeling of being cheated. Cheated out of future music, not just music, soundbites, wisdom, just knowing Strummer was about somewhere and doing fine, a friend I hadn’t met. So anyway, I composed myself and told the missus I was going to the pub and might be a while. I kind of was. I hooked up with a few mates who were doing the same as me, just wanting to find someone else to talk to, who’d understand, who wouldn’t think we were stupid feeling the way we did. The evening wore on and Jeff the landlord bless him, let me stay late and we yarned, cried and laughed at stupid Christmas rubbish and I weaved home quite sometime after I should have. The missus was not happy. Didn’t speak to me most of Christmas Eve which was a strain as we were at my parents….She just couldn’t get my need to be with friends, the fact that this guy dying mattered to me…As I look back now with Rose tinted testicles – I think that was the beginning of the end for her. Never mind.
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Post by stu77 on Dec 22, 2022 20:38:19 GMT
I remember posting the news on a US punk site and no one believed me. Mind you some of them didn't even believe I was anything but American.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 18:54:01 GMT
Wonder what the reaction will be when Lydon goes?🤔
I reckon Lydon's legacy will be null and void.
As for Joe Strummer. To be honest, it didn't really affect me at all. It's conjecture but it'd be interesting to see what he'd be doing now and what he'd think of the modern, digital world?🤔
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Post by stuw on Jan 2, 2023 18:19:40 GMT
Nah - when Lydon goes it will be major - he is a contrary arse and fool, but without him..we wouldn't be here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 22:09:07 GMT
Nah - when Lydon goes it will be major - he is a contrary arse and fool, but without him..we wouldn't be here. No,he's part of the reason why we wouldn't be here. Without Cook, Jones, Matlock and McLaren he wouldn't be in the Pistols. His legacy-if he retains one-will be as a caricature who 'sold out'. A joke figure and the gift that keeps giving. A spectacular own goal and he's given his detractors plenty of ammunition.👍
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 3, 2023 7:00:41 GMT
I think stuw is right
Lydon's Obits will focus on his contributions to music and culture in the 70s/early 80s
The rest will be a footnote
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 10:28:40 GMT
^That's naive to say the least.
Given the passage of time when his influence on music was quite strong(45 years and counting)and his demise in the future, he's been viewed a lot differently.
The past is pretty vague for a lot of people and only his ardent arselickers and sycophants see him for the person he was then possibly because they hold the same right views as him now.
A lot of these people obviously have mental health problems if they can't see the distinction between young Johhny Rotten and aging John Lydon.
Times change and people evolve and some evolve for the worse.
I've no sympathy whatsoever for Lydon. He thinks he's bigger than his legacy and now he has none.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 3, 2023 11:34:15 GMT
I agree with everything you say rogue but when people die the obit's focus on the headlines
If he died today the obituaries would focus on his being a Sex Pistol, a punk pioneer, and the cultural legacy
There might also be the odd reference to the later years but it will not dominate the narrative, far from it
It's only people like us who give the other stuff much thought
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 11:55:25 GMT
I agree with everything you say rogue but when people die the obit's focus on the headlines If he died today the obituaries would focus on his being a Sex Pistol, a punk pioneer, and the cultural legacy There might also be the odd reference to the later years but it will not dominate the narrative, far from it It's only people like us who give the other stuff much thought Well, journalists are always right aren't they? Look at Vivienne Westwood for example, punk was a footnote in her career and as Lydon's so called legacy wanes and becomes even more tarnished the caricature aspect of what Lydon became will come into focus more, not any lucidity or value that he may have had to you, me or anyone else. Let's be honest he hasn't really made a decent record since around 81 and if you asked most people today about the music of PiL, they wouldn't have a clue. Queen loving, butter promoting sellout who courts the company and orbit of Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage is how many people view Jimmy Rotten these days.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 3, 2023 13:54:00 GMT
Agree - for those in the know, especially obsessives like us, his descent from icon to caricature to attention seeking Trump fan boy, is depressing
Although I daresay he also still has quite a few fans who don't care about that stuff
Yer average Joanna though knows very little and about him and cares even less. Just doing a mental run through of everyone in my family (siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews) and doubt any of them, apart from me, could come up with anything but the most basic info - and that's who most obituaries are aimed at
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Post by stu77 on Jan 3, 2023 14:54:20 GMT
The obits won't be mentioning the stuff we here know about , the alleged racist violence, the alleged assault of a woman. The pathetic behaviour of his flunkeys towards regular working people.
How does he get away with it??
A fucking awful human being and it gives me no pleasure to view him this way.
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