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Jan 19, 2021 10:00:18 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 10:00:18 GMT
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Jan 19, 2021 12:49:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 12:49:10 GMT
Celtic handed the huns the league on a plate regardless of Gerrards managerial 'abilities'
He couldn't even conquer lowly St Mirren in the League Cup.
When he goes to England he'll struggle.
I've read about the Livi manager being an ex jail bird but have never heard of him(like most people)
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Jan 19, 2021 13:05:06 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 13:05:06 GMT
I've read about the Livi manager being an ex jail bird but have never heard of him (like most people) Me neither. That's why I posted the link to his story. Remarkable
A redemption tale
www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/04/david-martindales-journey-from-prison-to-leading-livingstonCeltic handed the huns the league on a plate regardless of Gerrards managerial 'abilities' He couldn't even conquer lowly St Mirren in the League Cup. When he goes to England he'll struggle. St Mirren aside, his record this season seems pretty good which is why I asked.
I know you can be very objective about these things... Rangers are making good progress in the Europa League, something Celtic have not been able to do Rangers are also unbeaten so far in the league (admittedly not that tricky for Celtic or Rangers) but still noteworthy I assumed he had been learning on the job, and must have improved considerably
It sounds as though you still don't rate his achievements this season
What does he need to do to become the real deal?
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Jan 19, 2021 14:16:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:16:28 GMT
Celtic have collapsed and not presented a real challenge. If we were putting up a fight I would say that Gerrard was making progress but it's a phoney comparison.
I mean with Celtic in such a state there's no reason why they couldn't do the treble and they still couldn't do that.
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Jan 19, 2021 14:49:44 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 14:49:44 GMT
Celtic have collapsed and not presented a real challenge. Have Celtic collapsed? Celtic have only lost two league games all season. Plus they've won a trophy. That last Old Firm game was a good performance by Celtic and a narrow loss. Without the sending off it might have been different. If we were putting up a fight I would say that Gerrard was making progress but it's a phoney comparison. I mean with Celtic in such a state there's no reason why they couldn't do the treble and they still couldn't do that. Fair enough I was asking for an informed, objective assessment of his progress as a manager Forget comparisons with Celtic. For a rookie manager he seems to be having a good season But you'd know better than me
What do you think?
The most compelling evidence to suggest he's improving rapidly is in the Europa league... Rangers picked up 14 points in their Europa League group, which is the highest tally any Scottish club have ever achieved in a European group stage It is only the second time a Scottish club have finished unbeaten in a standard four team group - the only other time was Rangers in the 1992/93 Champions League Impressive, or just luck? |
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Jan 19, 2021 14:51:40 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 14:51:40 GMT
Back to David Martindale...
Martindale matches O'Neill, Burley and Lennon (1st spell) as only managers to win first 6 league games.
He's won first 8 in all competitions. Of which only O'Neill (12) and Burley (8) can match.
Someone should make a film of it if he carries on being so successful
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Jan 19, 2021 17:24:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 17:24:58 GMT
Celtic have collapsed and not presented a real challenge. Have Celtic collapsed? Celtic have only lost two league games all season. Plus they've won a trophy. That last Old Firm game was a good performance by Celtic and a narrow loss. Without the sending off it might have been different. If we were putting up a fight I would say that Gerrard was making progress but it's a phoney comparison. I mean with Celtic in such a state there's no reason why they couldn't do the treble and they still couldn't do that. Fair enough I was asking for an informed, objective assessment of his progress as a manager Forget comparisons with Celtic. For a rookie manager he seems to be having a good season But you'd know better than me
What do you think?
The most compelling evidence to suggest he's improving rapidly is in the Europa league... Rangers picked up 14 points in their Europa League group, which is the highest tally any Scottish club have ever achieved in a European group stage It is only the second time a Scottish club have finished unbeaten in a standard four team group - the only other time was Rangers in the 1992/93 Champions League Impressive, or just luck? For such a new club it is! Euro analysis is all relative. Celtic are easily Scotland's most successful club insofar that they reached 2 European Cup finals. Gerrard has had a more consistent season but it's impossible to ignore Celtic's collapse as Celtic have dominated Scottish football over the last 20 years. It would have been more galling if we would have been beaten on the last day of the season. Celtic's acceptance of NOT being a Champions League team anymore is proof that Lawwell's time is up. Standards have slipped dramatically. |
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Jan 19, 2021 17:26:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 17:26:55 GMT
Back to David Martindale...
Martindale matches O'Neill, Burley and Lennon (1st spell) as only managers to win first 6 league games.
He's won first 8 in all competitions. Of which only O'Neill (12) and Burley (8) can match.
Someone should make a film of it if he carries on being so successful
That's a big if. I wonder if you'll be singing his praises when he gets sacked! |
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Jan 19, 2021 17:29:10 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 17:29:10 GMT
Back to David Martindale... Martindale matches O'Neill, Burley and Lennon (1st spell) as only managers to win first 6 league games.
He's won first 8 in all competitions. Of which only O'Neill (12) and Burley (8) can match. Someone should make a film of it if he carries on being so successful
That's a big if. I wonder if you'll be singing his praises when he gets sacked! Not so much singing his praises as just amazed at his story. If you read it in a novel you'd call it far fetched |
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Jan 19, 2021 17:34:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 17:34:32 GMT
It's difficult to be a manager of one of these wee teams as theres no expectation.
The likes of Jim McLean and Alex Ferguson were the last great managers of the'wee'teams.
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Jan 19, 2021 17:38:01 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 17:38:01 GMT
Impressive, or just luck? For such a new club it is! Thanks. I tend to agree so good to have it confirmed by someone with greater insight and knowledge
Gerrard has had a more consistent season but it's impossible to ignore Celtic's collapse as Celtic have dominated Scottish football over the last 20 years. It would have been more galling if we would have been beaten on the last day of the season. Celtic's acceptance of NOT being a Champions League team anymore is proof that Lawwell's time is up. Standards have slipped dramatically. Out of curiosity have Celtic accepted not being a Champions League team?
They qualify every year but just mess up in the preliminaries so get demoted to the Europa where they have been surprisingly poor for the last few seasons
Given the £millions they miss out on I can't believe the board is happy about not qualifying, especially given the standard of opposition in those pre-qualification games
It now seems pretty obvious that Brendan Rodgers is/was an exceptional manager and replacing him is what's tricky, especially now Rangers are getting re-established after their wilderness years
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Jan 19, 2021 17:46:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 17:46:14 GMT
Rangers were never in the 'wilderness',they went out of business due to their own spiv like dealings.
The new club have only won a couple of minor trophies.
I think Lawwell has accepted that they aren't a CL team anymore but he would never admit it. He's way too arrogant.
Since Rodgers left the Premiership Standards he brought with him have also been jettisoned probably because he had full control of the team(but not recruitment).
Lawwell has to be the chief, no room for two of them.
There was no excuse for Celtic not winning 10IAR as we were in the driving seat and have more finances than the other clubs but you just have to look at the money wasted to see that it's Lawwells Yes men who are back in charge.
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Jan 19, 2021 18:00:12 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 18:00:12 GMT
It's a depressing picture you paint Rogue. What needs to happen for Lawwell to move on?
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Jan 19, 2021 18:29:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 18:29:37 GMT
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Jan 19, 2021 18:45:10 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 19, 2021 18:45:10 GMT
So Dermot Desmond could sack Lawwell but, as he only cares about making money, is unlikely to do that unless the club started making a loss?
Is that about right?
Still seems odd given the millions the club is missing out by failing to negotiate what, on paper, are a few easy qualification games.
Gonna be brutal if Rangers do win the title this season and then qualify for the Champions League. Ker-ching!
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