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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 7, 2020 17:55:30 GMT
A thread to discuss all things Wobble
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 8, 2020 8:40:44 GMT
I've seen Jah Wobble and his Invaders of the Heart a couple of times recently
In fact he was last artist I saw live I think as the last time was earlier this year
He's superb live - lots of enjoyable chit chat between songs and he and the musicians seem to really enjoy playing live
Both times I've seen them recently they've closed with their funked up version of PiL's Fodderstompf...
Studio versh
Live versh
Go see them - you'll thank me
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 8, 2020 18:58:40 GMT
Jah Wobble always does a magnficent version of Liquidator at his shows....
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 18, 2020 13:36:34 GMT
Jah Wobble has some views that are even more extreme that Tommy Robinson! No he doesn't - that is both untrue and completely ridiculous
Once again I must challenge Roguepunk's unsubstantiated assertions just in case anyone, who is ill informed, stumbles across this discussion, reads these comments and believes them to be true
Tommy Robinson is a far-right, anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson has been active in far-right politics for many years. He was a member of the neo-fascist and white nationalist British National Party (BNP) from 2004 to 2005. For a short time in 2012, he was joint vice-chairman of the British Freedom Party (BFP). Robinson led the EDL from 2009 until 8 October 2013. He continued as an activist, and in 2015 became involved with the development of Pegida UK, a now defunct British chapter of the German-based far-right organisation Pegida. From 2017 to 2018, Robinson wrote for and appeared in online videos for Rebel News, a Canadian far-right political website.
Jah Wobble is a musician with no political affiliations Roguepunk’s belief that Jah Wobble is a racist comes from his interpretation of a short section in his autobiography 'Diary of a Geezer', which none of the twenty or so other people I know who have read it share, in which Jah Wobble expresses disquiet at the changing face of the East End where he grew up and lived most of his life. Jah Wobble was the victim of an attack by one of the Bangladeshi gangs in the area which prompted him to ultimately leave London and move to Manchester. He bemoans the lack of political alternatives and fleetingly considers voting for the BNP as a protest vote. He is open about this and was never seriously considering it. What we know about Jah Wobble: - He’s married to a woman from an ethnic minority
- He has two mixed race children
- He is a patron for Show Racism the Red Card’s ‘Musicians Against Racism’
- He has collaborated with people of all ethnicities both on record and live
- The current incarnation of the Invaders of the Heart has a long term guitarist from an ethnic minority
- He recently released an anti-Brexit tune
Jah Wobble is patently not a racistSo far as I can glean you are the only person who promotes this viewpoint
Unless you have something new to add to the discussion let's move on Please stop making allegations that Jah Wobble is a dyed-in-the-wool racist as if it was some kind of commonly accepted fact |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 16:35:53 GMT
You've obviously cherry picked the bits in that you want to believe.
The truth is different. Reread it
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 1, 2021 11:45:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 11:57:51 GMT
Great song by a great band👍
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 1, 2021 12:21:54 GMT
Great song by a great band👍 Sez you Possibly appeals to some racists? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 12:43:22 GMT
Great song by a great band👍 Sez you Possibly appeals to some racists? It's all subjective is music isn't it? Why would it appeal to racists especially when it contains the lyric'Black and White unite and fight the right'. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 1, 2021 13:07:12 GMT
Some people are idiots who won't think about nuanced lyrics (if they even are that nuanced, don't know the song, don't want to know the song)
Having recently read that Blush book, he explains there was a sizeable racist and homophobic element in many HC scenes - easy to imagine those dim witted types getting behind a song called I Hate Reggae, as it plays into their prejudices
Plus, think about it. Dismissing an entire musical genre. Do they really hate reggae? All reggae? Really? If so, talk about closed minded
I don't care much for most heavy metal or jazz but I can still find plenty to enjoy in the genres
So what's the story? Are they having a pop at Bad Brains? Or they genuinely can't find anything to enjoy in the genre? And that's all they can come up with to sing about?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 13:49:56 GMT
Some people are idiots who won't think about nuanced lyrics (if they even are that nuanced, don't know the song, don't want to know the song) Having recently read that Blush book, he explains there was a sizeable racist and homophobic element in many HC scenes - easy to imagine those dim witted types getting behind a song called I Hate Reggae, as it plays into their prejudices Plus, think about it. Dismissing an entire musical genre. Do they really hate reggae? All reggae? Really? If so, talk about closed minded I don't care much for most heavy metal or jazz but I can still find plenty to enjoy in the genres So what's the story? Are they having a pop at Bad Brains? Or they genuinely can't find anything to enjoy in the genre? And that's all they can come up with to sing about? True, there are a lot of dimwits in punk. I mean look at some of the people who have posted on here. However, not liking reggae music doesn't make you racist, that's an absurdity. Whether it's closed minded or not irrelevant, it their choice. Personally, I don't care much for reggae or soul but I love ska. It's a bit like saying you're a bigot because you don't like powerviolence or Irish rebel music. People have the right to dislike or like whatever music they choose to👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 15:09:19 GMT
Interesting too that 2 of the biggest reggae fans in punk, John Lydon and Jah Wobble have both supported racist groups in the past-Trump and the BNP respectively.
I Hate Reggae🤣
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 1, 2021 16:06:58 GMT
I don't understand. What's bollocks?
I'm not saying hatred of reggae = racist
BUT we know many people in the HC scene had racist attitudes and they would likely be attracted to, or approve of, a song called I Hate Reggae
How can you possibly refute that?
Wobble is not a racist
Lydon has some dubious views - so what?
Mick Jones, Paul Simenon, Dave Ruffy, Terry Hall, Jerry Dammers, Segs, Nicky Tesco etc etc - are you suggested they are all closet racists too? You're twisting yourself in knots.
And what about you? Do you really hate reggae?
You can't find anything to enjoy in the genre? Aside from Ska?
I'm no great lover of Hardcore but I have found music I like
How about The Specials new cover of Bob's Get Up Stand Up? Work for ya?
The Specials - Get Up, Stand Up
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 10:36:34 GMT
I think it's an interesting discussion, and of course you always have a choice not to reply It was Blush who highlighted the intolerance in some of the US hardcore scenes he wrote about - no great surprise when you think about it
I don't mind care what musical taste anyone has but was just highlighting that recording a song called "I Hate Reggae" might well appeal to the intolerant people Blush tells us were part of the HC scene.
Let's leave it there eh?
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Nobody but you makes these allegations against Jah W He's an unsual racist isn't he? Married to someone of a different race, father to mixed race kids, actively participates in anti racist initiatives, and collaborates with musicians from all over the world. Not exactly Ian Stuart Donaldson is he? * I Love Reggae Dennis Brown - Money In My Pocket Part 1 & 2 - Reggae - 45 rpm Vinyl
First you think Blush is an untrustworthy source then you don't. Read between the lines here. I don't like the tone of 'American Hardcore', it's narrative has a right nasty edge to it. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. The way I interpret 'I hate Reggae' is that you don't have to like it to be anti racist. There are dimwits who commidify music made by black people and exploit it for their own ends. Just look at the likes if Lydon, Wobble, Clapton etc. Especially the first two who cone from immigrant communities themselves. |
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Post by doug61 on Oct 2, 2021 13:47:45 GMT
I think it's an interesting discussion, and of course you always have a choice not to reply It was Blush who highlighted the intolerance in some of the US hardcore scenes he wrote about - no great surprise when you think about it
I don't mind care what musical taste anyone has but was just highlighting that recording a song called "I Hate Reggae" might well appeal to the intolerant people Blush tells us were part of the HC scene.
Let's leave it there eh?
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Nobody but you makes these allegations against Jah W He's an unsual racist isn't he? Married to someone of a different race, father to mixed race kids, actively participates in anti racist initiatives, and collaborates with musicians from all over the world. Not exactly Ian Stuart Donaldson is he? * I Love Reggae Dennis Brown - Money In My Pocket Part 1 & 2 - Reggae - 45 rpm Vinyl
First you think Blush is an untrustworthy source then you don't. Read between the lines here. I don't like the tone of 'American Hardcore', it's narrative has a right nasty edge to it. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. The way I interpret 'I hate Reggae' is that you don't have to like it to be anti racist. There are dimwits who commidify music made by black people and exploit it for their own ends. Just look at the likes if Lydon, Wobble, Clapton etc. Especially the first two who cone from immigrant communities themselves. Can't really comment on the other two but Lydon certainly was a big champion of Reggae from the moment he became known onwards. He certainly helped me get to listen to artists like Dr. Alimantado and others I would otherwise have been unaware of. I think it's always a bit silly to make accusations against those you don't like whilst defending those you do like on these matters. I love Neo Folk although a lot of it is dodgy as fuck. I am capable of separating the art from the artist. |
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