|
|
Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 27, 2020 11:32:38 GMT
If it was MES and 16 Russian Ice Skaters on bongos, it was still The Fall....
2015 Russian Synchronised Skating Team dance to 'The Joke' by the Fall
RIP Mark E Smith (5/3/57-24/1/18)
|
|
|
|
Post by jsm on Jan 27, 2020 22:59:11 GMT
Bizarre!
|
|
|
|
Post by Billy Idle on Jan 29, 2020 13:05:14 GMT
Very weird - can't be genuine. Or can it?
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 17, 2020 18:44:46 GMT
Got to have a thread for The Fall
So many great tunes and wonderful albums
RIP MES
Here's a couple of early(ish) classics...
The Fall - Kicker Conspiracy
The Fall - Container Drivers
|
|
|
|
Post by personunknown on Sept 17, 2020 20:25:43 GMT
" There are those who say good old Mark Smith and there are those who have met him in real life." Billy Bragg.
MES a prick of the highest order. Feted by a sycophantic music press and John Peel (who should have known better). The Emperor's New Clothes has never been more apt for his tuneless, nonsensical lyric babble.
And what was he at the end? A toothless, Tory voting pisshead in a Northern boozer castigating asylum seekers to anyone daft enough to listen. Called out Veggies and Vegans as weeds, then ran off when one threatened to smack him one.
Oh and his band hated him as well.
|
|
|
|
The Fall
Sept 17, 2020 21:00:26 GMT
via mobile
Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 17, 2020 21:00:26 GMT
Yes. A bully and an arsehole.
I disagree about the music though.
Saw them at least 10 times and, whilst variable, always compelling
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 22:19:01 GMT
There was no denying his vocal style but I just didn't get the hype around the Fall.
I didn't know much about his right wing views but it's hardly surprising.
Lots of old punks have turned right wing or nazi.
I mean you can now add Smith to the list along with Wobble, Lydon, Morrissey etc
|
|
|
|
Post by stu77 on Sept 17, 2020 22:37:09 GMT
Never got it apart from the odd track.
Totally original mind and lyrics though.
He died a few days before my mum did so I suppose I'll always associate her with him which is blackly amusing to me. ;-)
|
|
|
|
Post by jsm on Sept 17, 2020 23:01:21 GMT
Unique, one-off and all that. I had no idea what the fuck he was on about half the time, but I enjoyed it. Saw the band live once or maybe twice; great. It was known he was difficult and probably an arsehole from early on. I never tried to keep up with the album a year and I can only imagine that his latter output was patchy, but all the late 70s and early 80s material was pretty good. Drink the long draught, Dan
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 18, 2020 7:23:22 GMT
Do we automatically equate Brexit supporting with being right wing?
I dunno. It certainly attracts a lot of that type but I am not sure we can crudely characterise everyone who voted to leave as rabidly right wing.
I can't remember exactly what MES said now. He was an alcoholic whose brain and body were seriously damaged by a lifetime of abuse, and so prone to talk quite a lot of rubbish.
None of his latter day utterances bear any scrutiny. You wouldn't try and get sense and coherence from a pissed up alchoholic talking shit in a pub or a park or wherever. He was no different. Very sad.
I had to stop going to see The Fall because I found the sight of him too depressing. It felt to me that by turning up after about 2010 I was just enabling his abuse and self destruction
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 18, 2020 7:24:13 GMT
Unique, one-off and all that. I had no idea what the fuck he was on about half the time, but I enjoyed it. Saw the band live once or maybe twice; great. It was known he was difficult and probably an arsehole from early on. I never tried to keep up with the album a year and I can only imagine that his latter output was patchy, but all the late 70s and early 80s material was pretty good. Drink the long draught, Dan Yes. Agree with your assessment jsm |
|
|
|
Post by zeopold on Sept 18, 2020 8:41:16 GMT
Never got them or saw the point of them.
|
|
|
|
Post by stu77 on Sept 18, 2020 10:48:07 GMT
Apparently being right wing is the new punk rock in some quarters.
I have sadly found due to the internet that some of my musical heroes are needy self absorbed and quite obnoxious.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 19, 2020 6:58:50 GMT
The Fall rarely played old songs live however one song enjoyed a long period as the encore/set closer
It always got the crowd bouncing around and joining in with the "he is not appreciated" line
And the "check the record, check the record, check the guy's track record" bits
Still sounds bloody great
Happy memories
The Fall - Big New Prinz
|
|
|
|
Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 24, 2020 14:40:34 GMT
Anyone seen...
It's Not Repetition, It's Discipline (2015)?
A fair bit of it is on YouTube
12 years in the making - done by 3 danish Fall fans.
With contributions by Mark E Smith, Henry Rollins, Thurston Moore, Grant Showbiz, David Gedge, Damo Suzuki, John Peel, Stephen Malkmus, John Cooper Clarke, Dee Dee Ramone, Alan Wise etc.
|
|
