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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 15:46:23 GMT
The last time I was there was 2015-ish, and I found it to be an oppressive s***hole run by thugs, bullies and gangsters. Let me know if it's changed since then as you seem to be the expert. Sounds a bit like pro-Brexit England. I never claimed to be an expert. If it's as oppressive as you say it is, why go there and work and pay tax to an oppressive regime?🤔 |
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Post by zeopold on Feb 10, 2023 18:01:15 GMT
The last time I was there was 2015-ish, and I found it to be an oppressive s***hole run by thugs, bullies and gangsters. Let me know if it's changed since then as you seem to be the expert. Sounds a bit like pro-Brexit England. I never claimed to be an expert. If it's as oppressive as you say it is, why go there and work and pay tax to an oppressive regime?🤔 I was working for a US company. They sent me to loads of dodgy places. The only one I flat out refused to go to was Saudi. Brexit Britain is a liberal utopia compared to Russia BTW. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 21:31:14 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't finance any corrupt regime by paying taxes and that includes Russia.
The hypocrisy of the West is astonishing, mind you we've seen this all before from Britain and the US in Iraq etc
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Post by zeopold on Feb 11, 2023 8:53:03 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't finance any corrupt regime by paying taxes and that includes Russia. The hypocrisy of the West is astonishing, mind you we've seen this all before from Britain and the US in Iraq etc I've always paid my taxes in the UK. who do you want to win? a) Russia b) Ukraine It's OK to dodge if you lack the courage to answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 9:01:29 GMT
There will be no victory for either side.
The West doesn't give a fuck about Ukrainian civilians as does the Russian military.
They will make peace when either gains enough territory to do so.
Considering you were paying taxes to the Russian State under Putin while you were living there. It's patently obvious who you were propping up👍
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 11, 2023 10:44:15 GMT
My impression is that Zeo was in Russia on short work assignments so unlikely to have been classed as a resident liable for local tax - but could be wrong
Not sure Russia needed "propping up" given the enormous revenues from gas, oil, gems etc - still fun to imagine that the entire Russian economy would collapse without Zeo's PAYE
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 11:32:22 GMT
My impression is that Zeo was in Russia on short work assignments so unlikely to have been classed as a resident liable for local tax - but could be wrong Not sure Russia needed "propping up" given the enormous revenues from gas, oil, gems etc - still fun to imagine that the entire Russian economy would collapse without Zeo's PAYE So he didn't contribute tax or pay into the Russian economy knowing Putin was the Russian leader...🤔 The point is that anyone Iiving and working there knowingly acquiescences to the states law's and then complaining about the same regime is just going to look daft. We do have a choice you know. I mean, would you have went to work in apartheid South Africa or go to Israel? I personally wouldn't have/wouldn't. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 11, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
Going to work in Russia on a short work assignment is not remotely comparable to working in apartheid South Africa
Let's wait for Zeo to confirm if he paid tax. As I say, I'd be suprised unless he was living there for a substantial amount of time which is not suggested in his posts so far
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 11, 2023 11:56:05 GMT
Also trying to remember when it became obvious that Putin was really dangerous?
For me it was probably around the Salisbury poisoning of 2018, perhaps a bit earlier with other execution attempts of perceived dissidents
Maybe it was obvious before then and I wasn't paying attention or am misremembering
Point is, going to Russia for UK workers on short assignments doesn't feel particularly controversial until the last (maybe) five years or so? Or am I forgetting something important?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 13:07:01 GMT
Going to work in Russia on a short work assignment is not remotely comparable to working in apartheid South Africa Let's wait for Zeo to confirm if he paid tax. As I say, I'd be suprised unless he was living there for a substantial amount of time which is not suggested in his posts so far Yes let's. Again, it's about making a moral choice. It's totally stupid to then come back and mimic the Tory press narrative on Russia now. Surely anyone with a bit of sense knows it's a war that can never be won on both sides. Meanwhile innocent people die. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 13:19:51 GMT
Also trying to remember when it became obvious that Putin was really dangerous? For me it was probably around the Salisbury poisoning of 2018, perhaps a bit earlier with other execution attempts of perceived dissidents Maybe it was obvious before then and I wasn't paying attention or am misremembering Point is, going to Russia for UK workers on short assignments doesn't feel particularly controversial until the last (maybe) five years or so? Or am I forgetting something important? You must be really naive if you don't think the US and Britain doesn't kill it's political opponents outside of the 'law'. Look to Ireland. So until it became newsworthy recently, like most British people Putin was one of the 'good guys' because he wasn't a communist. Where was the public outcry when he annexed Crimea in 2014? |
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Post by doug61 on Feb 11, 2023 14:25:57 GMT
Don't need to believe the Tories, plenty of good hard journalistic sources available. Would never believe a politician on matters of war. Whether we are going to far in our wish to appear "on side" and beat everyone else on who can be Zelenskyy's best buddy is another matter. What are your sources? For what? There are loads of solid journalism web sites, we no longer have to take a Governments word for anything thank God. I wouldn't believe the word of any Government of any colour on any important issue. Reuters and Associated Press are good sources. DCUK focuses on British Foreign policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
For what? There are loads of solid journalism web sites, we no longer have to take a Governments word for anything thank God. I wouldn't believe the word of any Government of any colour on any important issue. Reuters and Associated Press are good sources. DCUK focuses on British Foreign policy. What sources specifically add any weight to your arguments? What are these 'solid journalist sites'? We can all interpret Reuters and AP differently. |
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Post by doug61 on Feb 11, 2023 14:44:25 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't finance any corrupt regime by paying taxes and that includes Russia. The hypocrisy of the West is astonishing, mind you we've seen this all before from Britain and the US in Iraq etc I've always paid my taxes in the UK. who do you want to win? a) Russia b) Ukraine It's OK to dodge if you lack the courage to answer. Ukraine has to win for the security of all Sovereign States. Problem is that Putin has backed himself firmly into a corner by banking on the West allowing him to get away with a Crimea 2.0. Now his only "out" would be for Ukraine to allow him those Donbas areas and Ukraine would never allow that now and that's without the rebuilding costs that Russia should have to pay that must by now be in the region of 750 billion dollars. And if you gave him the Donbas areas that would never be the end of it, he'd just wait another few years and do it again, Crimea showed he is a man who's word can not be taken seriously. Given he has said that he will never recognise Ukraine as an Independent nation and that Russia has also invaded and set up small autonomous areas in other Sovereign States it's clear that he is involved in an attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union as a legacy for himself. For anyone who tries to make ridiculous comparisons between ourselves and Russia, you only have to ask which Country is the one that refuses to allow their people to see independent reporting on the Television and Internet. |
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Post by doug61 on Feb 11, 2023 14:48:38 GMT
For what? There are loads of solid journalism web sites, we no longer have to take a Governments word for anything thank God. I wouldn't believe the word of any Government of any colour on any important issue. Reuters and Associated Press are good sources. DCUK focuses on British Foreign policy. What sources specifically add any weight to your arguments? What are these 'solid journalist sites'? We can all interpret Reuters and AP differently. I'm not making an argument, just saying no Government has to be believed anymore. Why do you always have to be so antagonistic? You seem like one of those folk who could start a fight in an empty room. I don't claim to be right on any issue, people see things and have different views on all subjects, I am not egotistical enough to believe my opinion is right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong. Debate should be fun and stimulating, not rants and insults and dogma. |
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