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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 13:37:16 GMT
Post by politician2 on Feb 10, 2020 13:37:16 GMT
The statistical analysis is broad brush strokes – millions of people fall into each category. Thus whilst it's true that higher levels of education correlated with a "remain" vote, it's hardly surprising that I know many very well-educated and financially successful people who voted to leave.
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 15:37:10 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 10, 2020 15:37:10 GMT
The statistical analysis is broad brush strokes – millions of people fall into each category. Thus whilst it's true that higher levels of education correlated with a "remain" vote, it's hardly surprising that I know many very well-educated and financially successful people who voted to leave. Out of interest exactly how many "very well-educated and financially successful people who voted to leave" do you know? And how do you know them? I'm guessing these people are all Conservatives on the far right of the party? And yes, broad brush, but as this article makes clear.... Average educational attainment, median income and social class in English local authorities were the strongest predictors of how residents in that area voted in the referendum. The results indicate that the greater the proportion of residents with a higher education, the more likely a local authority was to vote remain. And this one provides similar evidence...Populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census The age of voters was also important, with older electorates more likely to choose Leave
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 15:54:57 GMT
Post by politician2 on Feb 10, 2020 15:54:57 GMT
Out of interest exactly how many "very well-educated and financially successful people who voted to leave" do you know? Quite a number. Hard to count specifically. And how do you know them? That's a very broad question – how did you get to know your friends? Some I went to school with. Some I met over here. I'm guessing these people are all Conservatives on the far right of the party? No, not necessarily. With people I know here, it's often difficult to know someone's UK political allegiance, as we don't have a party political culture. However, to take one example, my best friend from school (and now) lives in Hove and is broadly a Conservative voter, but he voted Labour in 2001 as he felt the Conservatives had become homophobic and again in 2017 as he thought the Tory candidate was awful (which seems to have been a recurring theme in Hove). This time, he voted Conservative in a bid to keep Corbyn out, and was pleased with the election result but also pleased that Peter Kyle retained the Hove seat. I agree – Kyle strikes me as an excellent constituency MP.
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 16:05:17 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 10, 2020 16:05:17 GMT
I thought the IOM didn't take part in the referendum? So presumably most of those people you've met on the IOM didn't vote? Or have I misunderstood/misremembered?
I probably know about 40 people - v few are "very well-educated and financially successful people". Although they all do OK. I don't think I know anyone who voted leave? If they did they've kept very quiet about it.
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 16:09:20 GMT
Post by politician2 on Feb 10, 2020 16:09:20 GMT
You're correct – the Isle of Man didn't, as it is not a part of the United Kingdom or a member of the European Union. However, people who had lived in the UK within the last 15 years (like me) were entitled to a vote, and even those who didn't vote get to express their opinions on social media and elsewhere.
Maybe my group of friends is more diverse politically than yours – I know people who identify as everything from communists to fascists (that's classical fascism, not Naziism).
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 16:15:57 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 10, 2020 16:15:57 GMT
Outrageous that you got to vote whilst all the Brits living elsewhere in the EU were denied a vote
Communists, Fascists?! That is indeed pretty diverse given how the vast majority are somewhere in the middle and take only a passing interest in politics. My life lacks diversity and excitement.
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 16:32:17 GMT
Post by politician2 on Feb 10, 2020 16:32:17 GMT
Outrageous that you got to vote whilst all the Brits living elsewhere in the EU were denied a vote Communists, Fascists?! That is indeed pretty diverse given how the vast majority are somewhere in the middle and take only a passing interest in politics. My life lacks diversity and excitement. I didn't get any special consideration – every British citizen who has left the UK within the last 15 years is entitled to vote in national elections and referenda. After 15 years, that right is (quite correctly, in my view) removed. My friends are indeed a diverse crew. My best friend on the island is Anglo-Irish aristocracy (a Countess) but our friendship circle includes people from all kinds of backgrounds. Political discussions can indeed be very interesting, and often don't go the way you'd expect. For instance, my friend who is a fascist was particularly outraged by the decision not to allow Shamima Begum not to return to the UK. His logic was that as a fascist, he believes in the "dreadful majesty" of the State, which should have the power of life and death over its citizens; but if the State is going to be accorded that power, then it should never be permitted to circumvent its own laws or precedents.
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Brexit
Feb 10, 2020 16:35:45 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 10, 2020 16:35:45 GMT
The outrageous aspect is not that you got the vote but that other Brits were denied it
I keep off the subject of politics. It's too damn depressing in these dark dark days
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Post by politician2 on Feb 10, 2020 16:40:57 GMT
They weren't denied it. They had exactly the same rights as me.
If they'd left the UK within the last 15 years, they got to vote. If it was more than 15 years, they didn't.
Why should people who don't live or pay tax in a country get to vote there in the first place?
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Brexit
Mar 31, 2020 11:46:22 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Mar 31, 2020 11:46:22 GMT
99 per cent of seasonal workers in the UK come from the EU – in particular from Eastern European countries like Romania and Bulgaria.
A combination of Brexit and coronavirus means many of these workers have suddenly become either legally unable or simply unwilling to come to the UK
And so now, there’s the prospect that mountains of perfectly good food will be left to rot in fields up and down the UK
G’s Fresh, a fruit and veg supplier, has launched a recruitment drive targeting British people who are currently idle due to the new coronavirus lockdown – from students, to self-employed workers, to laid-off hospitality staff. Last week, in a job ad patriotically labelled “Feed Our Nation” on LinkedIn, G’s announced that it was looking to hire 2,500 people to work in farms in East Anglia, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, West Sussex and Kent; positions included crop-pickers, drivers, engineers, and team leaders, for an average salary of £400 per week.
Be interesting to see if there will be sufficient takers to pick the crops
I hope so
The strawberry harvest starts in five weeks
Luckily, a small number of Eastern Europeans have stuck around in the UK, and will be able to provide leadership and expertise to newcomers.
Expect the star-crossed collision of coronavirus and Brexit to create many more of these issues
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Brexit
Nov 12, 2020 12:24:35 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 12, 2020 12:24:35 GMT
The weeks are ticking by and it's still not clear if Johnson will do what he did in October last year and make a series of concessions to get a deal, to minimise the upfront disruption and to prevent a potentially painful start to 2021.
Or will he accept a no deal Brexit and have the disruption up front, and over before the next election, and also blame the European Union for the economic consequences not only of a no-deal but of any economic hangover from the coronavirus crisis?
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Brexit
Nov 24, 2020 20:48:42 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 24, 2020 20:48:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 19:52:42 GMT
And all this over a few nets of fish.....🤩
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Post by zeopold on Dec 15, 2020 22:09:52 GMT
And all this over a few nets of fish.....🤩 It's wrong to eat fish so here's hoping the ****s who kill them for profit go bust
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 16, 2020 6:41:44 GMT
Amen to that. Leave the fish in peace
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