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Post by Billy Idle on Jul 10, 2021 13:57:39 GMT
How about
Flowers by the door ?
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Post by andyloneshark on Jul 10, 2021 15:17:55 GMT
...yeah, that's a great song. Ron Emory is a 'guitar hero' for me, not an exhibitionist player, just really love his style...
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Post by Billy Idle on Jul 12, 2021 13:40:19 GMT
Change Today? is a fine record and Joe Wood has a very distinctive souful vocal style - i wrote to the band around that time (1984) with a couple of dollars for merch, got a letter back from their drummer Mitch Dean, some merch and my dollars returned. Tahts good to read andyloneshark. Always thought they were probably good people. American Zone from Change Today is yet another brilliant track
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Post by andyloneshark on Jul 12, 2021 15:58:11 GMT
During the sessions for that album, they also recorded this ...a cover version of a song originally written by 60s West Coast Psychedelic band, The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band that poses an interesting and ever topical question...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 21:45:53 GMT
No that's completely unrepresentative of the narrative of Blush's book. Did you read it properly? The bands you mention-which possibly are your selective favourites-make up a tiny minority of the bands Blush covers. I mean the likes of TSOL for example used hardcore briefly after 1 ep before they went onto do some shite goth albums before they became an embarrassing poodle rock band. Fakes of the highest order. Blush doesn't shirk from mentioning this. Anyone who has listened to TSOL can hear that they were total opportunists. Do some research👍 The American Hardcore book has now arrived (thanks Andy) You have misremembered this section rogue On page 326, in the discography at the back, Steven Blush includes seven different TSOL releases, so he must have found plenty to enjoy On page 95, Steven Blush discusses the evolution of TSOL (post Jack and Todd) when Emory and Roche went in a more traditional direction. He describes these as solid mid-80s records and at least as good as Guns N'Roses. His main issue is this version sticking with the TSOL name given that none of the original members were in the group. Joe Wood of the new version even serving legal papers on Jack, Todd, Ron and Mike to stop them playing a one off reunion as "the original TSOL". Overall Blush is complimentary about TSOL and does not denouce them or describe them as fakes of the highest order. As mentioned, he is even vaguely complimentary about the poodle rock releases. Interesting section. That's exactly what I said That's more my opinion of them. Blush doesn't shirk from the fact that they progressed from punk to goth to poodle rock. Most of their career they weren't a punk band.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 13, 2021 6:44:48 GMT
That's a good think though right? Certainly not a negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 13:45:42 GMT
That depends if you like that type of music.
I thought they were awful
Not a punk band.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 13, 2021 13:59:02 GMT
Depends how you define punk I suppose?
Is The Slits Cut LP a punk album, or something else?
Is Armagideon Time, as done by The Clash, a punk song?
Were Ian Dury or TRB punk? You've said elsewhere you categorise them as punk, so if they are punk why not TSOL?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 21:44:46 GMT
It's all subjective.
For me Devo and the Slits were punk bands insofar that they were undefinable creativity.
There certainly breathed the same air as punks.
As for TSOL. They deliberately mugged up hardcore punk with their first EP but to be honest the rest is what they were really about(fame, recognition etc).
It's not a new thing in hardcore. I mean look what happened to the Beastie Boys, Suicidal Tendencies etc. In some ways they paved the way for the likes of Greenday,The Offspring etc
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Post by Billy Idle on Jul 17, 2021 9:41:33 GMT
Open your mind roguepunk. Bands are allowed to be creative and even ( gasp ) try to sell a few records.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 21, 2021 15:13:22 GMT
I'm starting my T.S.O.L. deep dive Thanks to Andy (and Blush's) positivity First stop.... What a varied and very un-hardcore album - first impressions are very positive
No wonder they alienated so many of their original fans
Been a long time since I saw Penelope Spheeris' Suburbia documentary - to what extent are T.S.O.L. featured?
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Post by andyloneshark on Jul 21, 2021 15:27:04 GMT
...it's hard to believe it now, but at the time 'Beneath The Shadows' is the sound of T.S.O.L. committing commercial suicide. They had built a reputation in Los Angeles as a formidable Punk Rock band with the first e.p. and the classic Dance With Me album So it sent half their large fanbase into a blinding rage of confusion... like wise songs like Weathered Statues, which i love...
The original band really didn't give a shit about what they 'should' have been doing, it was worth annoying the Punk Police.
Suburbia is not a Documentary... it's a fictional account of homeless Punks living in Squats, the first film i ever saw that showed Punk kids as human beings rather than a stereotype like in Repoman.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 21, 2021 16:03:00 GMT
...it's hard to believe it now, but at the time 'Beneath The Shadows' is the sound of T.S.O.L. committing commercial suicide. They had built a reputation in Los Angeles as a formidable Punk Rock band with the first e.p. and the classic Dance With Me album So it sent half their large fanbase into a blinding rage of confusion... like wise songs like Weathered Statues, which i love... The original band really didn't give a shit about what they 'should' have been doing, it was worth annoying the Punk Police. Suburbia is not a Documentary... it's a fictional account of homeless Punks living in Squats, the first film i ever saw that showed Punk kids as human beings rather than a stereotype like in Repoman. Very interesting Andy I remember really enjoying Suburbia and, yep, now I think about it, it was a bit of a hybrid between documentary and fiction (more fiction) T.S.O.L - Wash Away (Suburbia)I'm now on 'Change Today?' Some of it is more overtly punk but mainly the Goth vibe is to the fore and a very discernible Doors influence too. They must have been listening carefully to The Cult around this time. Very enjoyable it is too.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 21, 2021 16:07:18 GMT
Jack Grisham - What's In My Bag?
Very enjoyable vid with Jack, love that he's so unapologetically into black American soul, Jazz etc....
Jack Grisham - What's In My Bag?
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Post by andyloneshark on Jul 21, 2021 16:34:36 GMT
...i met Jack outside the Boston Arms in London about an hour before he was due to go on stage and perform with TSOL. I thought it might be me saying a quick 'Hi' to him, but he was so friendly and down to earth we ended up chatting for about 45 minutes. It was handy that i had read his book American Demon as that gave us plenty to talk about. i got a chance to talk to Ron Emory too, when they played Bristol for the first time. Again, very friendly, no Rockstar bullshit
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