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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 22:11:55 GMT
Big day for the union on Thursday
Scotland has long rejected the stupidity of Londoncentric ignoramuses.
There will be a pro Independence majority but it won't be the conclusive victory that the SNP wants.
And quite right too. Scotland's Fine Gael have to be held to account.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 16:55:13 GMT
The SNP currently INCREASING their huge vote.
I don't think Unionist voters have figured out tactical voting yet.
Tories swing behind the Branch Party leader Sarwar but he still gets thumped by nearly 10,000 votes by Nicola Sturgeon in Glasgow Southside.
The media are even trying to paint this as some sort if victory for Labour!
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Post by stu77 on May 7, 2021 22:37:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 8:49:00 GMT
Aye, they should have been booted out.
I thought Sturgeon's speech about the fascist who tried to have a go at her whilst she was out at a polling station in Govanhill was brilliant.👍
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Post by doug61 on May 8, 2021 14:36:35 GMT
I think the growth for a second referendum will be hard to ignore even though the collapse of oil prices make independence financially more difficult to make a case for.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 8, 2021 14:37:32 GMT
I think the growth for a second referendum will be hard to ignore even though the collapse of oil prices make independence financially more difficult to make a case for. Doris will do all he can to ignore the clamour |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 14:46:13 GMT
It's been an incredible election for the SNP and theres no doubt there will be a pro Independence majority.
The issue of an referendum should be kicked into touch as the electorate has endorsed it. End of story.
There has been some tactical voting but the Unionist electorate in Scotland haven't had the savvy on how to use it in the same way the unionist minority in Ireland has.
If Johnston tries to deny another referendum,it will just add to the SNP's support.
As for oil prices? Again, irrelevant as it's not a matter for any multinational oil company.
I think you might be referring to independence negotiations where quite clearly BP and Shell won't be invited...
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 9, 2021 8:47:53 GMT
Good article on the whys and wherefores of another referendum... www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57044089Gonna be interesting And, if there is to be Indy Ref 2, would the outcome be any different? Seems Scotland is divided down the middle which, as we saw with Brexit, is hardly the best way to get a mandate, whatever the outcome |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 9:03:10 GMT
There is clearly an appetite for independence and its growing especially amongst the younger generation.
As for division? A lot of the older generation will be gone and if the rabid loyalists who oppose it can't accept democracy then they should be escorted to the border.
You're welcome to these people who are in a minority.
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Post by politician2 on May 9, 2021 11:59:01 GMT
And, if there is to be Indy Ref 2, would the outcome be any different? Seems Scotland is divided down the middle which, as we saw with Brexit, is hardly the best way to get a mandate, whatever the outcome My prediction is that if another referendum were held now, it would produce the worst possible result – a near 50/50 split. If that split marginally favours remaining in the UK, the SNP will immediately start clamouring for a third referendum. If it marginally favours leaving, Scottish unionists will claim that they are being removed from the UK by a minority of the electorate, just as Remainers did following the Brexit vote. If Scotland does leave, it will have another problem – Shetland strongly dislikes the Holyrood government, and its Council has publicly stated its desire to leave Scotland and become a crown dependency of the United Kingdom in the event of Scexit, giving it a legal status identical to the Isle of Man. Shetland's waters are where much of the oil is. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 9, 2021 13:27:27 GMT
Agreed
Funny how the Tories, the Unionist party, have opened a really big can of worms with the Brexit referendum.
Ireland and Scotland in turmoil
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Post by politician2 on May 9, 2021 13:49:49 GMT
Funny how the Tories, the Unionist party, have opened a really big can of worms with the Brexit referendum. I'd have said it was Blair that opened the can of worms by launching Scottish devolution. It was quite obviously going to cause huge problems by having certain parts of the UK governed differently from others. The policy has come back to bite Labour – who used to weigh in their Scottish vote, and are now third behind the SNP and the Tories – on the arse. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 9, 2021 13:53:46 GMT
Funny how the Tories, the Unionist party, have opened a really big can of worms with the Brexit referendum. I'd have said it was Blair that opened the can of worms by launching Scottish devolution. It was quite obviously going to cause huge problems by having certain parts of the UK governed differently from others. The policy has come back to bite Labour – who used to weigh in their Scottish vote, and are now third behind the SNP and the Tories – on the arse. Good point, but at the time that seemed quite a logical decision for Labour and was part of their policy commitment The Brexit referendum outcome made a schism into a rupture Wales, by contrast, is still a Labour stronghold This was a set of elections that rewarded incumbents, whether that is the Conservatives in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales |
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Post by politician2 on May 9, 2021 13:59:25 GMT
The Brexit referendum outcome made a schism into a rupture The Brexit referendum has increased Scottish dissatisfaction with the union, but it's not what triggered the SNP's huge surge in popularity: that was the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, which enabled the SNP to sweep the board in the 2015 UK general election. That referendum would never have happened without Scottish devolution, so the present chaos clearly comes back to Blair. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 9, 2021 17:18:19 GMT
The Brexit referendum outcome made a schism into a rupture The Brexit referendum has increased Scottish dissatisfaction with the union, but it's not what triggered the SNP's huge surge in popularity: that was the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, which enabled the SNP to sweep the board in the 2015 UK general election. That referendum would never have happened without Scottish devolution, so the present chaos clearly comes back to Blair. I disagree |
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