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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 12, 2021 20:04:52 GMT
Tyrone Mings….
On Monday, Patel said she was “disgusted” by the abuse of “players who have given so much for our country this summer”.
Quoting her condemnation on Twitter, however, Mings wrote: “You don’t get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as ‘Gesture Politics’ & then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we’re campaigning against, happens.”
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Post by zeopold on Jul 12, 2021 20:05:49 GMT
Football usually bores me rigid but I take my hat off to our national team and its management for representing multiculturalism in a constructive way.
To my untrained eye they were outplayed in the final but did not lose for want of trying.
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Post by smogquixote on Jul 12, 2021 21:13:14 GMT
Arnhem The Barron Knights David Essex The Clash-Sandinista 200 Russians against 5000 St George's in Marseille 2016 Euro 2020(in 2021) ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 21:40:35 GMT
Tyrone Mings…. On Monday, Patel said she was “disgusted” by the abuse of “players who have given so much for our country this summer”. Quoting her condemnation on Twitter, however, Mings wrote: “You don’t get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as ‘Gesture Politics’ & then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we’re campaigning against, happens.” Word This very point was made on Channel 4 news earlier. Patel is clearly a racist. She 'absolves' any responsibility for this by stating she is a victim of racism herself. She's still a racist. Until England fans get to grips with the reality that a large percentage of their fans are right wing bigots who hate anyone who isn't white and English nothing will change. This is the reality of post Brexit England and it'll get a lot worse before it'll get better. |
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Post by stu77 on Jul 12, 2021 22:20:48 GMT
Patel should be in Broadmoor with the rest of the psychotics.
Does she really think she fools anyone with her look at me I'm so edgy horse shit ?
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Post by smogquixote on Jul 12, 2021 23:08:10 GMT
Patel should be in Broadmoor with the rest of the psychotics. Does she really think she fools anyone with her look at me I'm so edgy horse shit ? She should be ten-feet under, fuck that cunt. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 13, 2021 6:58:38 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 13, 2021 7:22:58 GMT
It's now plastered with messages of love and support
Rashford says the community's support has left him 'on the verge of tears.' 
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 13, 2021 7:41:51 GMT
Another great article, this time from Jonathan Liew...
England’s repressed craving for shared experience reveals its ugly side
www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/13/englands-repressed-craving-for-shared-experience-reveals-its-ugly-sideThis bit is particularly interesting...
In his book This Sporting Life the academic Robert Colls traces the popular history of English sport, from the 18th-century bull-runners of Stamford in Lincolnshire to the fox-hunters of Victorian England. English sport, he argues, is inherently tied to personal liberty: the custom and ritual of public transgression, of articulating who you are in a country and society that affords you precious few opportunities to do so. “Sport,” writes Colls, “confirmed that in England, you could do as you pleased.”
You could see those folk-lines in the behaviour of English football fans over the last couple of weeks: a joyous if often unpleasant celebration of personal inviolability and civic pride. There’s a reason so many England flags bear the names of small towns. Where else are you going to see the word “Grantham” or “Matlock” emblazoned in huge capital letters in any public place of importance? And running through all this has been a larger phenomenon, one that predates the pandemic: the wild unquenched craving for shared experience and community in a society that has essentially hunted it to extinction.
Easy to forget that football evolved out of massive pitched battle games between neighbouring villages
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Post by doug61 on Jul 13, 2021 9:19:39 GMT
Hey, most of us are old enough to remember what used to happen when the Scots came to town for the Home Internationals and why they had to stop. Wembley 1977 anyone? Ridiculous to think arseholes are exclusive to this part of the country. My uncle was at that game but I wouldn't class the Tartan Army as hooligans in anyway. A lot of them are naive fantasists and not just about football. They have a really weird idea of what Scotland actually is. As someone who lives near Hampden, they drink in all the Irish/Celtic pubs on matchday so you can have a chat with them, they're pretty ignorant about Scotland's history and a lot of them voted 'No'in the 2014 referendum. The majority aren't from Glasgow either and I've boozing around the Southside for nearly 40 years. We also used to get a fair few English soccer hooligans going up and down Victoria Road trying to cause trouble but they never dared come near the navvy pubs and the local Asian youth kicked them all the way back to Queens Park train station until their police escorts bundled them on trains back to Central Station. This would have been the late 80's I guess. I think that attempting to make what are really sweeping generalisations or excuses for large varied groups of people are doomed to failure. If England fans boo a knee being taken, you will say it is "racism" If the Tartan Army invade a pitch and rip up turf and destroy goalposts though, they aren't "hooligans in any way", but "naive fantasists". I don't care if we condemn all, acquit all or take the correct more nuanced view, but deciding good or bad based on nationality as you are, could be called as bigoted as anything occurring in London or on social media. |
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Post by zeopold on Jul 13, 2021 9:40:34 GMT
^^ Let them find what comfort they can in the 'Anyone but England' mindset. It must be tough getting slapped around for centuries by your superior neighbour  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 21:25:49 GMT
My uncle was at that game but I wouldn't class the Tartan Army as hooligans in anyway. A lot of them are naive fantasists and not just about football. They have a really weird idea of what Scotland actually is. As someone who lives near Hampden, they drink in all the Irish/Celtic pubs on matchday so you can have a chat with them, they're pretty ignorant about Scotland's history and a lot of them voted 'No'in the 2014 referendum. The majority aren't from Glasgow either and I've boozing around the Southside for nearly 40 years. We also used to get a fair few English soccer hooligans going up and down Victoria Road trying to cause trouble but they never dared come near the navvy pubs and the local Asian youth kicked them all the way back to Queens Park train station until their police escorts bundled them on trains back to Central Station. This would have been the late 80's I guess. I think that attempting to make what are really sweeping generalisations or excuses for large varied groups of people are doomed to failure. If England fans boo a knee being taken, you will say it is "racism" If the Tartan Army invade a pitch and rip up turf and destroy goalposts though, they aren't "hooligans in any way", but "naive fantasists". I don't care if we condemn all, acquit all or take the correct more nuanced view, but deciding good or bad based on nationality as you are, could be called as bigoted as anything occurring in London or on social media. You don't obviously know much about the Tartan Army if you think they're hooligans. England fans on the other hand...take off your nationalist blinkers and look around you. Are you trying to seriously suggest that right wing English nationalism and thuggery hasn't got more extreme since the Brexit vote? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 21:26:10 GMT
^^ Let them find what comfort they can in the 'Anyone but England' mindset. It must be tough getting slapped around for centuries by your superior neighbour 😂👍 |
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Post by doug61 on Jul 14, 2021 8:23:15 GMT
I think that attempting to make what are really sweeping generalisations or excuses for large varied groups of people are doomed to failure. If England fans boo a knee being taken, you will say it is "racism" If the Tartan Army invade a pitch and rip up turf and destroy goalposts though, they aren't "hooligans in any way", but "naive fantasists". I don't care if we condemn all, acquit all or take the correct more nuanced view, but deciding good or bad based on nationality as you are, could be called as bigoted as anything occurring in London or on social media. You don't obviously know much about the Tartan Army if you think they're hooligans. England fans on the other hand...take off your nationalist blinkers and look around you. Are you trying to seriously suggest that right wing English nationalism and thuggery hasn't got more extreme since the Brexit vote? Since Brexit? No idea. Not sure how you would gauge that. It was so riled up during the years preceding the vote that it certainly got more air time. As for English Nationalism, there has always been a thing that it was okay to be a proud Scot or Welshman but if you were proud to be English or flew the English flag then you were immediately labelled as racist. People certainly saw that as unfair and wondered why Scottish pride was okay but English pride not. As for your first sentence, I'm sorry but that is nonsense. If someone acts as a hooligan they are a hooligan, if the English had ripped apart Hampden Park then I'm sure you would have called it by that name. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jul 15, 2021 9:21:44 GMT
I remember the Tartan Army coming to London in the late 70s. Pubs shut, shops boarded up their windows, people stayed out of the centre of town. Hardly the reaction of a friendly bunch of fans. People were terrified.
In fairness the Tartan Army are now completely reinvented as friendly and welcome anywhere. Not sure when the change happened though.
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