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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 12, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
That’s pretty much how I imagine it to be Expectations even lower now |
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Post by andyloneshark on May 12, 2022 18:43:35 GMT
It crossed my mind that a 'Biopic' about The Pistols is a non-starter, whoever directs it... after the Documentaries 'The Filth & The Fury' and the excellent BBC Arena 'Punk & The Pistols' ...maybe a dramatisation shouldn't be made.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 21:53:37 GMT
It crossed my mind that a 'Biopic' about The Pistols is a non-starter, whoever directs it... after the Documentaries 'The Filth & The Fury' and the excellent BBC Arena 'Punk & The Pistols' ...maybe a dramatisation shouldn't be made. For me 'The Filth and the Fury' and 'Lonely Boy' are all you need to understand the Pistol's legacy. It should really be left at that. Think I've read 'Lonely Boy' 3 times now and it's still a great read. All my non punk bands have also read it and love it as Jones was a right wido they reckon👍 |
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Post by stu77 on May 13, 2022 0:22:44 GMT
I've known people who say punk was just one Frankfurt School / Fabian Society exercise in subversion. Certainly McLaren had a deep interest in ideas, as did Rhodes. It's almost supernatural to think people could create a movement through force of will and intellect like this. I don't expect the Disney thing to spend much time on this mind you. 
Can anyone really explain phenomena logically? Are we all guillible victims of trends? Do we really like the music we say we like?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 13, 2022 5:39:03 GMT
Do we really like the music we say we like? Hmmmm |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 7:26:57 GMT
I've known people who say punk was just one Frankfurt School / Fabian Society exercise in subversion. Certainly McLaren had a deep interest in ideas, as did Rhodes. It's almost supernatural to think people could create a movement through force of will and intellect like this. I don't expect the Disney thing to spend much time on this mind you. 
Can anyone really explain phenomena logically? Are we all guillible victims of trends? Do we really like the music we say we like?
'Punk-if it ever really existed before the Pistols gave it some sort of form - was made up of entirely random events which bear no relation to each other. Hippie and punk sequed into each due to the fact that both were creative expressions of a need to have an alternative to the status quo. That's why there was no 'year zero'. The likes of Crass gave punk ideas but these were also part of the counterculture. I definitely like the music I say I like. I would definitely identify with punk first and foremost as it was all I had growing up as a kid. Besides who can't love this on a Friday morning? |
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Post by personunknown on May 13, 2022 7:31:23 GMT
Do we really like the music we say we like? Hmmmm Interesting thought Stu. I got to my mid twenties and began to despise the NME for its promotion of very average bands, the amount of money I spent in the eighties on the next big thing's album could of bought me a decent car. I still love punk though some tracks on some albums make wince, Suburban Studs Necro for example. The Stranglers after No More Heroes does absolutely nothing for me. The real cream albeit the Pistols or Glen Campbell will always be at the top. |
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Post by andyloneshark on May 13, 2022 8:26:41 GMT
There's a danger of over thinking too much, why you do or don't like something.
I go with gut instinct everytime.
I am constantly hearing new stuff, don't give a hoot what is the next big thing, which in the UK seems to be largely 'playlisted' and pre-planned by the likes of 6Music/Mercury Prize etc - i genuinely love what i hear coming from the global grassroots, but am not a snob and can like something that is in the mainstream too.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 9:01:08 GMT
There's a danger of over thinking too much, why you do or don't like something. I go with gut instinct everytime. I am constantly hearing new stuff, don't give a hoot what is the next big thing, which in the UK seems to be largely 'playlisted' and pre-planned by the likes of 6Music/Mercury Prize etc - i genuinely love what i hear coming from the global grassroots, but am not a snob and can like something that is in the mainstream too. Gut instinct for me too. However, sometimes it takes a record a few spins to get into. I certainly don't listen to as much music as I used to and I never listen to vacuous pop pap which is fed to the masses. Music is too readily available and easier to make these days which means there a lot more uniformity to it and that includes so called'alternative' music. For me -most of the time-truely great music has it's roots in adversity which is thrown up at random due to the world we live in. It manifests itself in many ways too and doesn't necessarily have to be political or even serious. I've always thought that 'serious' musicians and muso's are complete arseholes. How can you really experience life when you're too busy making music about it? |
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Post by stu77 on May 13, 2022 17:32:07 GMT
I think I genuinely like the music I listen to.
There might be an element of nostalgia though obviously there is tons of stuff from the past that I hate and I do like the odd modern song despite modern existence being unimpressive.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 31, 2022 5:26:30 GMT
Today’s the day
Hope to fit in the first episode later
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 31, 2022 10:37:15 GMT
Youth loves it…. louderthanwar.com/pistol-mini-series-reviewed-by-youth-from-killing-joke/I was delighted to be invited to the premiere of ‘Pistol’, though I had some reservations. Period music films are notoriously difficult to pull off. The trailer, I thought looked wrong, mainly because the actor’s faces were a bit off. The series is on Disney? Surely they would compromise and sugar up the story and book, so as to appeal to a mass mainstream audience?
So there were more than a few doubts and so it was, with more than a little bit of grit in my teeth, that I sat down outside Bar Italia, in the heart of Soho to remind my teenage self of that feeling of being a punk in Soho. It was here where it all started in the late ’70s for me and I was here to meet my friend and colleague Alan McGee – another legendary manager, cut from the same torn tartan cloth as McLaren and also a huge fan of both the Pistols and McLaren himself. He even helped Malcolm in his Mayor of London bid in 2006. So who better to see it with and through his eyes?
Walking through Soho to Leicester Sq we could hear distant screams from the crowds. We both thought it was going to be a small screening and I presumed the noise was for the new Top Gun but when we saw the vicious pink red carpet and billboards, our collective jaws dropped to the floor. This was going to be a big deal. Rest here... louderthanwar.com/pistol-mini-series-reviewed-by-youth-from-killing-joke/  |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on May 31, 2022 10:45:26 GMT
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Post by stu77 on May 31, 2022 14:13:31 GMT
The handful of people who've seen it on the Facebook groups I'm in seem to love it.
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Post by wardance on May 31, 2022 14:20:56 GMT
Just watched the first episode.
I'm not really sure who it's aimed at, and there is a great deal of artistic licence taken. But it is a drama, a telling of a story and some of the characters are portrayed differently to how we know them; McClaren being the obvious example.
A lot of the lines spoken are delivered to further the story, a narrative device.
But I'm not going to get worked up about something that isn't factually correct. Television is littered with stories that take artistic licence with the truth, this is just another one of those.
Second episode here I come......
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