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Post by politician2 on Aug 29, 2022 19:12:08 GMT
In turn, I'll rebut your points in order:
1) It doesn't matter in the slightest, as we're all entitled to an opinion. But nothing the current government is doing is "tantamount to a genocide" – you're distorting the meaning of words as usual. In contrast, when communists get into power, they frequently conduct actual genocides.
2) I'm not sure where Ukraine enters into any of this. As for whether the present government's policies are "universally despised by most of the country", we'll find out at the next general election.
3) You believe in a political philosophy that has failed almost everywhere it has been tried, and has frequently resulted in repression, torture, brainwashing and mass-murder. But I reiterate: we're all entitled to an opinion.
4) And now you're actually supporting that repression, torture, brainwashing and mass-murder. The frankly repulsive argument you're advancing here is typical of communists: similarly, in her last interview Margot Honecker argued that those who got shot attempting to cross the Berlin Wall had only themselves to blame as nobody forced them to do it.And no, I wouldn't be "better looking at the murderers of the British army" because they didn't systematically kill 15,000 dissidents like Castro's regime. You support him in doing that, and that says a great deal about you and your politics.
5) I repeat: what is your definition of a white supremacist? Tell me what you think a white supremacist believes and I will tell you whether I believe it or not.
6) I don't think anybody is arguing that the Victorian worldview was both racist and Anglocentric.
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Aug 29, 2022 19:23:36 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 29, 2022 19:23:36 GMT
I view this as very postive (though have not watched any ad breaks where black people make up half the participants - what channels do you see this on Pol?) I love seeing minorities represented, even over represented, on TV For decades you'd never know they lived here and if the pendulum has swung into over represenation so what? Bring it on I say Why is it "very positive" that black people make up 3% of the population but nearly 50% of people in TV commercials? Why should that particular group be overrepresented when other minority groups such as Asians and Orientals hardly ever appear in such ads? I suspect I watch the same channels as you – ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, UK Gold, etc. The overrepresentation is common to all of them, though as I noted it was only "some commercial breaks" (i.e. not the majority of them) where they made up more than half the people involved. As I explained in my post, it makes up for years of under representation. I must admit I watch those channels and have not observed the phenomenon so suspect it’s still quite rare I would also welcome greater representation for those other minority ethnic groups you mention I love to see diversity on the TV and in films, and even if it’s greater than in the general population, who cares?
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Aug 29, 2022 19:29:21 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 29, 2022 19:29:21 GMT
As I explained in my post, it makes up for years of under representation. I must admit I watch those channels and have not observed the phenomenon so suspect it’s still quite rare I would also welcome greater representation for those other minority ethnic groups you mention I love to see diversity on the TV and in films, and even if it’s greater than in the general population, who cares? Were they really underrepresented? Black people today make up only 3% of the population, so they would be accurately reflected in commercials if every thirty-third person were black. They used to make up a much smaller proportion of the populace. What I think has happened is that they have gone from being accurately represented to being hugely overrepresented, with white people now being enormously underrepresented. And I can assure you that this phenomenon is not "still quite rare". Watch any commercial break on almost any channel, and you will see that nearly half the people in those ads are black.
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Aug 29, 2022 19:40:34 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 29, 2022 19:40:34 GMT
As I explained in my post, it makes up for years of under representation. I must admit I watch those channels and have not observed the phenomenon so suspect it’s still quite rare I would also welcome greater representation for those other minority ethnic groups you mention I love to see diversity on the TV and in films, and even if it’s greater than in the general population, who cares? Were they really underrepresented? Black people today make up only 3% of the population, so they would be accurately reflected in commercials if every thirty-third person were black. They used to make up a much smaller proportion of the populous. What I think has happened is that they have gone from being accurately represented to being hugely overrepresented, with white people now being enormously underrepresented. And I can assure you that this phenomenon is not "still quite rare". Watch any commercial break on almost any channel, and you will see that nearly half the people in those ads are black. What can I say, I love to see it Perhaps advertisers know that there are many others who feel the same way as me? Dunno? There must be a reason why they do it The total non white population in the UK is almost 13% - I don't think, even in 2022, that is what we generally see on TV and in cinema. I'll keep an eye out in the ad breaks and report back
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Aug 29, 2022 19:49:52 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 29, 2022 19:49:52 GMT
What can I say, I love to see it Perhaps advertisers know that there are many others who feel the same way as me? Dunno? There must be a reason why they do it There must be, yes. I can't work out what it is – black people certainly don't possess nearly 50% of the UK's purchasing power and I don't think they're a more significant group of consumers than Asians or Orientals. It seemed to start after the Black Lives Matter protests, so perhaps it's some form of corporate virtue signalling? But if so, why always blacks – why not Asians and Orientals?
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Post by zeopold on Aug 29, 2022 19:57:07 GMT
Doesn't make a bind bit of difference who wins the Tory (lack of) leadership race, To be honest , these days I see little difference between Tory and Labour , they both aim at the centrist vote Labour are tory lite, tories are nazi lite. It's a race to the bottom.
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Post by zeopold on Aug 29, 2022 20:05:05 GMT
What can I say, I love to see it Perhaps advertisers know that there are many others who feel the same way as me? Dunno? There must be a reason why they do it black people certainly don't possess nearly 50% of the UK's purchasing power and I don't think they're a more significant group of consumers than Asians or Orientals. It seemed to start after the Black Lives Matter protests, so perhaps it's some form of corporate virtue signalling? But if so, why always blacks – why not Asians and Orientals? Fair point. Have you considered launching a 'Yellow Lives matter' campaign? Perhaps on the back of a performance of 'The Mikado' in the Gaiety Theatre. This might prove to be the IoM's audition to join the civilised world.
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Aug 29, 2022 20:07:47 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 29, 2022 20:07:47 GMT
Fair point. Have you considered launching a 'Yellow Lives matter' campaign? Perhaps on the back of a performance of 'The Mikado' in the Gaiety Theatre. This might prove to be the IoM's audition to join the civilised world. We're thoroughly modern now, Zeo. We've just had our first Pride festival. Two of my friends – one the Minister of Agriculture, the other the island's premier gay rights activist – have just had a very nasty falling-out over it. I'm not getting involved in the dispute.
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Post by zeopold on Aug 29, 2022 20:11:13 GMT
This might prove to be the IoM's audition to join the civilised world. We've just had our first Pride festival. Rumour has it that the ducking stool may be mothballed within a few generations
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 21:50:19 GMT
In turn, I'll rebut your points in order: 1) It doesn't matter in the slightest, as we're all entitled to an opinion. But nothing the current government is doing is "tantamount to a genocide" – you're distorting the meaning of words as usual. In contrast, when communists get into power, they frequently conduct actual genocides. 2) I'm not sure where Ukraine enters into any of this. As for whether the present government's policies are "universally despised by most of the country", we'll find out at the next general election. 3) You believe in a political philosophy that has failed almost everywhere it has been tried, and has frequently resulted in repression, torture, brainwashing and mass-murder. But I reiterate: we're all entitled to an opinion. 4) And now you're actually supporting that repression, torture, brainwashing and mass-murder. The frankly repulsive argument you're advancing here is typical of communists: similarly, in her last interview Margot Honecker argued that those who got shot attempting to cross the Berlin Wall had only themselves to blame as nobody forced them to do it.And no, I wouldn't be "better looking at the murderers of the British army" because they didn't systematically kill 15,000 dissidents like Castro's regime. You support him in doing that, and that says a great deal about you and your politics. 5) I repeat: what is your definition of a white supremacist? Tell me what you think a white supremacist believes and I will tell you whether I believe it or not. 6) I don't think anybody is arguing that the Victorian worldview was both racist and Anglocentric. 1)So refusing to set a price cap on the obscene energy prices which basically makes people starve or freeze to death isn't genocide? The way you couch it is as if it's just a coincidence. That's obscene. 2)We certainly will such is the fickleness of the English electorate. They still have time to play the race/immigration card and/or start a war. 3) Can't you read? I'm not a Stalinist. Revolutions are a result of oppression. The ideological schisms within socialism are the issue here not whether it shouldn't be fought for. 4)Your hyperbole knows no bounds. Cuba was and is fighting a war just as the US is. Counter revolutionaries, spies, informers and criminals are enemies of the State and should be treated accordingly. 5)Good to see you belittle the Bloody Sunday massacre as not being 'systematic enough'. It was THE single event which provoked the conflict in the North. Still you play your ' we shouldn't get involved in war's card' whenever you have no answers or analysis. 6)I gave you my definition of White Supremacy. You didn't deny it. Be careful of behaving like an ignorant white man on this👍 7)White Supremacists do which is why they caricatured Irish people as apes, much in the same way they do with black people.
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Aug 29, 2022 22:01:34 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 29, 2022 22:01:34 GMT
1)So refusing to set a price cap on the obscene energy prices which basically makes people starve or freeze to death isn't genocide? The way you couch it is as if it's just a coincidence. That's obscene. 2)We certainly will such is the fickleness of the English electorate. They still have time to play the race/immigration card and/or start a war. 3) Can't you read? I'm not a Stalinist. Revolutions are a result of oppression. The ideological schisms within socialism are the issue here not whether it shouldn't be fought for. 4)Your hyperbole knows no bounds. Cuba was and is fighting a war just as the US is. Counter revolutionaries, spies, informers and criminals are enemies of the State and should be treated accordingly. 5)Good to see you belittle the Bloody Sunday massacre as not being 'systematic enough'. It was THE single event which provoked the conflict in the North. Still you play your ' we shouldn't get involved in war's card' whenever you have no answers or analysis. 6)I gave you my definition of White Supremacy. You didn't deny it. Be careful of behaving like an ignorant white man on this👍 7)White Supremacists do which is why they caricatured Irish people as apes, much in the same way they do with black people. 1) No, it isn't genocide. Genocide has a specific meaning: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular race or nation. Note the word "deliberate" and the addendum "especially those of a particular race or nation". 2) So you're positing that the Tories will get back in? I very much doubt it, but your position undermines your argument that their policies are "universally despised by most of the country". 3) I'm well aware that you're not a Stalinist, but it's not just the Stalinist version of communism that has led to repression, torture, mass executions, etc. 4) Once again, you're arguing that the Castro regime was justified in murdering dissidents by labelling them "counter revolutionaries, spies, informers and criminals" – the usual cynical communist blurring of definitions. 5) The Bloody Sunday killings were inconsequential compared to the number of killings carried out by the Castro regime, which you are entirely happy to defend. 6) Would you mind repeating your definition of "white supremacist" for my benefit? I can't seem to find it, and whilst it's possible that I've simply missed it I have a feeling that you are being evasive here. 7) Yes, white supremacists would do that. I would not.
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Post by jonpunk on Aug 30, 2022 10:16:48 GMT
The trouble is that they have no sense of humour and have to examine in minute detail everything you say , so they can be offended at some stage . I think there is some ......and there is woke , some mean for the best but some just want trouble . We live in days when humour is gone because it's dangerous to be funny....and a lot of humour is about people or offending somehow , but not in a meaningful way , it's just sometimes pointing out oddities or contradiction........Dave Allen would no way get on TV now were he alive , most programmes we were raised up with wouldn't exist now......did they make us bad people ? They did make us think....but maybe they don't like people to think nowadays 🤔 You never find a sense of humour in either the far right or far left, too busy desperately making sure they don't say or do anything that doesn't pass ideological muster. Not the types to be stuck in a lift with. The funny thing is with far left and far right , is that they are exactly the fucking same .Seek to oppress and stop any other opinion or thought. They even really use the same methods whether right or left .
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Post by doug61 on Aug 30, 2022 10:45:18 GMT
In some cases, it's more significant than that, and non-white people have become hugely overrepresented. A case in point is TV commercials. Black people (as opposed to other ethnic minorities) make up 3% of the UK population yet nearly half of all people in commercials. I've seen some commercial breaks where there were more black people than white, which would reflect the racial make-up of Bermuda (where two-thirds of the population is black and the other third white) but not the UK. Even more oddly, Asian and Oriental people almost never appear in commercials, even though their numbers are comparable to those of blacks. I'm genuinely baffled as to what is happening here. Can't argue the advert thing, it's so obvious as to have become funny. That said, after times of under representation and "racism" when it is no longer deemed acceptable, you always see cases of over compensatory behaviour at first. I would think it would equal out as time goes by. It's this period of over compensation and redressing balances that leads to all the squeals of "we are being replaced" by the far right.
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Post by doug61 on Aug 30, 2022 10:51:36 GMT
In some cases, it's more significant than that, and non-white people have become hugely overrepresented. A case in point is TV commercials. Black people (as opposed to other ethnic minorities) make up 3% of the UK population yet nearly half of all people in commercials. I view this as very postive (though have not watched any ad breaks where black people make up half the participants - what channels do you see this on Pol?) I love seeing minorities represented, even over represented, on TV For decades you'd never know they lived here and if the pendulum has swung into over represenation so what? Bring it on I say It's not something that you would like to see long term and just as unhealthy as over representation of whites in so much as it alienates people from feeling a part of society. That then leads to bitterness and more racism as we are seeing in the US. The goal has to be a fair representation of society where we become truly colour blind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2022 10:52:32 GMT
1)So refusing to set a price cap on the obscene energy prices which basically makes people starve or freeze to death isn't genocide? The way you couch it is as if it's just a coincidence. That's obscene. 2)We certainly will such is the fickleness of the English electorate. They still have time to play the race/immigration card and/or start a war. 3) Can't you read? I'm not a Stalinist. Revolutions are a result of oppression. The ideological schisms within socialism are the issue here not whether it shouldn't be fought for. 4)Your hyperbole knows no bounds. Cuba was and is fighting a war just as the US is. Counter revolutionaries, spies, informers and criminals are enemies of the State and should be treated accordingly. 5)Good to see you belittle the Bloody Sunday massacre as not being 'systematic enough'. It was THE single event which provoked the conflict in the North. Still you play your ' we shouldn't get involved in war's card' whenever you have no answers or analysis. 6)I gave you my definition of White Supremacy. You didn't deny it. Be careful of behaving like an ignorant white man on this👍 7)White Supremacists do which is why they caricatured Irish people as apes, much in the same way they do with black people. 1) No, it isn't genocide. Genocide has a specific meaning: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular race or nation. Note the word "deliberate" and the addendum "especially those of a particular race or nation". 2) So you're positing that the Tories will get back in? I very much doubt it, but your position undermines your argument that their policies are "universally despised by most of the country". 3) I'm well aware that you're not a Stalinist, but it's not just the Stalinist version of communism that has led to repression, torture, mass executions, etc. 4) Once again, you're arguing that the Castro regime was justified in murdering dissidents by labelling them "counter revolutionaries, spies, informers and criminals" – the usual cynical communist blurring of definitions. 5) The Bloody Sunday killings were inconsequential compared to the number of killings carried out by the Castro regime, which you are entirely happy to defend. 6) Would you mind repeating your definition of "white supremacist" for my benefit? I can't seem to find it, and whilst it's possible that I've simply missed it I have a feeling that you are being evasive here. 7) Yes, white supremacists would do that. I would not. Y'know Politician I was going to reply to this but I couldn't be bothered. You can ping these ridiculous posts all day but I find your' debates' have no grounding in either history or politics. At least I can say that I've been to the places I debate about to have a rounded overview of what I actually debate. I think I'll leave to your 'lurking on this website waiting for contentious debates, odd as that is.👍🇮🇪
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