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Aug 30, 2022 10:53:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2022 10:53:12 GMT
You never find a sense of humour in either the far right or far left, too busy desperately making sure they don't say or do anything that doesn't pass ideological muster. Not the types to be stuck in a lift with. The funny thing is with far left and far right , is that they are exactly the fucking same .Seek to oppress and stop any other opinion or thought. They even really use the same methods whether right or left . Are you a skinhead by any chance? |
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Aug 30, 2022 11:05:20 GMT
Post by doug61 on Aug 30, 2022 11:05:20 GMT
You never find a sense of humour in either the far right or far left, too busy desperately making sure they don't say or do anything that doesn't pass ideological muster. Not the types to be stuck in a lift with. The funny thing is with far left and far right , is that they are exactly the fucking same .Seek to oppress and stop any other opinion or thought. They even really use the same methods whether right or left . Well, it goes full circle, the Russian women who died in the recent car bomb, her father who was the supposed victim was a Russian "ultra nationalist" well known for his fascist leanings. Before you get to that extreme you just have the same level of hate and dogma, just with different targets and victims and excuses. As the old saying goes "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" |
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Aug 30, 2022 11:14:13 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 30, 2022 11:14:13 GMT
Y'know Politician I was going to reply to this but I couldn't be bothered. You can ping these ridiculous posts all day but I find your' debates' have no grounding in either history or politics. At least I can say that I've been to the places I debate about to have a rounded overview of what I actually debate. I think I'll leave to your 'lurking on this website waiting for contentious debates, odd as that is.👍🇮🇪 A very vague and disingenuous response, but then you're not obliged to engage with anything I (or anybody else) say on here. But I will ask you one question, and I'll be expecting an answer to this: Why do you consider the killing of 14 people on Bloody Sunday a tragedy yet the killing of around 15,000 by the Castro regime an irrelevance? Could it be because you're so cynical that you think killings conducted by non-communist governments are an outrage but killings by communist governments are a mere statistic? |
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Aug 30, 2022 11:17:55 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 30, 2022 11:17:55 GMT
I view this as very postive (though have not watched any ad breaks where black people make up half the participants - what channels do you see this on Pol?) I love seeing minorities represented, even over represented, on TV For decades you'd never know they lived here and if the pendulum has swung into over represenation so what? Bring it on I say It's not something that you would like to see long term and just as unhealthy as over representation of whites in so much as it alienates people from feeling a part of society. That then leads to bitterness and more racism as we are seeing in the US. The goal has to be a fair representation of society where we become truly colour blind. That is indeed the aim Doug Well said For now though, we still have a long way still to go Until we achieve the promised land I'll take over-representation on a few TV ads (not that I've noticed this - it's Pol's perception) |
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Aug 30, 2022 11:19:39 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 30, 2022 11:19:39 GMT
Until we achieve the promised land I'll take over-representation on a few TV ads (not that I've noticed this - it's Pol's perception) No, this is not my "perception". It's the reality – consistent across channels and across different commercial breaks. As Doug said, he's clearly noted it too and finds it as bizarre as I do. Just have a look next time you watch TV. |
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Aug 30, 2022 11:34:26 GMT
Post by zeopold on Aug 30, 2022 11:34:26 GMT
The goal has to be a fair representation of society where we become truly colour blind. For now though, we still have a long way still to go Well-meaning hipsters in the advertising industry winding up Heil readers is a start, but it doesn't mean much while the pigs continue to pick on blacks. |
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Aug 30, 2022 12:29:35 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 30, 2022 12:29:35 GMT
Until we achieve the promised land I'll take over-representation on a few TV ads (not that I've noticed this - it's Pol's perception) No, this is not my "perception". It's the reality – consistent across channels and across different commercial breaks. As Doug said, he's clearly noted it too and finds it as bizarre as I do. Just have a look next time you watch TV. I just broke off and watched a few minutes of Sky Sport News and, yes, there were quite a few black people in the ads I watched McDonalds, MacMillan Cancer Research, Some holiday property company, and an insurance co (this one was white only) What a time to be alive |
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Aug 30, 2022 13:41:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2022 13:41:34 GMT
Y'know Politician I was going to reply to this but I couldn't be bothered. You can ping these ridiculous posts all day but I find your' debates' have no grounding in either history or politics. At least I can say that I've been to the places I debate about to have a rounded overview of what I actually debate. I think I'll leave to your 'lurking on this website waiting for contentious debates, odd as that is.👍🇮🇪 A very vague and disingenuous response, but then you're not obliged to engage with anything I (or anybody else) say on here. But I will ask you one question, and I'll be expecting an answer to this: Why do you consider the killing of 14 people on Bloody Sunday a tragedy yet the killing of around 15,000 by the Castro regime an irrelevance? Could it be because you're so cynical that you think killings conducted by non-communist governments are an outrage but killings by communist governments are a mere statistic? It's driven by political definition. The Cuban Revolution was and is a popular workers and peasant revolution and continues to be supported by the majority of the island's population. They have the right to defend themselves against counter-revolutionary criminals as in any war situation. I don't see the Tory and US governments screaming for trade embargoes against China and Saudi Arabia who have some of the worst records for human rights in the world. As for Bloody Sunday? The Kitson inspired war mongers of the British State deliberately drove a legitimate civil rights movement from the streets which resulted in 14 innocent civilians being murdered. This in turn was a catalyst for the nationalist working class to turn to the IRA for defence against state sponsored thugs and latterly MI5 run loyalist death squads. As for being cynical. It has nothing to do with cynicism. I pick my side, as do you. |
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Aug 30, 2022 13:41:48 GMT
Post by jonpunk on Aug 30, 2022 13:41:48 GMT
It's not something that you would like to see long term and just as unhealthy as over representation of whites in so much as it alienates people from feeling a part of society. That then leads to bitterness and more racism as we are seeing in the US. The goal has to be a fair representation of society where we become truly colour blind. That is indeed the aim Doug Well said For now though, we still have a long way still to go Until we achieve the promised land I'll take over-representation on a few TV ads (not that I've noticed this - it's Pol's perception) I don't think there is a promised land , once you get near to it , someone else will move the goalposts or another bunch of people will become offended or feel under represented. |
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Aug 30, 2022 14:20:30 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 30, 2022 14:20:30 GMT
That is indeed the aim Doug Well said For now though, we still have a long way still to go Until we achieve the promised land I'll take over-representation on a few TV ads (not that I've noticed this - it's Pol's perception) I don't think there is a promised land , once you get near to it , someone else will move the goalposts or another bunch of people will become offended or feel under represented. Maybe Jon Then again, take a look backwards and you can see how much progress has been made in our lifetimes Homosexuality was illegal when we were kids and now no one bats an eyelid at same sex couples or gay marriage Racial slurs were commonplace when we were kids and now it's mercifully rare to hear anyone use those words in public Plus there is far greater diversity in public life than back in the 60s and 70s There are many other examples we could all cite - that's just three off the top of my head Let's embrace the positive - and there's plenty of it, but with lots still to achieve #believe #staypositive |
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Aug 30, 2022 14:25:01 GMT
Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 30, 2022 14:25:01 GMT
No, this is not my "perception". It's the reality – consistent across channels and across different commercial breaks. As Doug said, he's clearly noted it too and finds it as bizarre as I do. Just have a look next time you watch TV. I just broke off and watched a few minutes of Sky Sport News and, yes, there were quite a few black people in the ads I watched McDonalds, MacMillan Cancer Research, Some holiday property company, and an insurance co (this one was white only) What a time to be alive I've managed another ad break to continue my reasearch This time round I noticed a lot of other enthnicities too The solution suddenly struck me too What are adverts designed to do? Sell products and services So even if minorites make up a relatively small percentage of the population they are still an important demographic, see also the Pink Pound etc. With that in mind, it's little wonder that advertisers want as many people as possible to see themselves represented. It's also why many ads are so multi-generational as well. Adverts are not meant to be an accurate represenation of the country, adverts are meant to sell stuff to as wider group as possible. The more generic the product (e.g. fast food, supermarkets, holiday companies, insurers, financial services) the broader they want the ad's reach to be. Obvious when you think about it Case closed |
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Post by zeopold on Aug 30, 2022 14:28:56 GMT
I just broke off and watched a few minutes of Sky Sport News and, yes, there were quite a few black people in the ads I watched So even if minorites make up a relatively small percentage of the population they are still an important demographic, see also the Pink Pound etc. With that in mind, it's little wonder that advertisers want as many people as possible to see themselves represented They should throw a few sieg-heiling bigots into the mix to ensure all bases are covered. |
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Aug 30, 2022 18:53:54 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 30, 2022 18:53:54 GMT
It's driven by political definition. The Cuban Revolution was and is a popular workers and peasant revolution and continues to be supported by the majority of the island's population. They have the right to defend themselves against counter-revolutionary criminals as in any war situation. I don't see the Tory and US governments screaming for trade embargoes against China and Saudi Arabia who have some of the worst records for human rights in the world. As for Bloody Sunday? The Kitson inspired war mongers of the British State deliberately drove a legitimate civil rights movement from the streets which resulted in 14 innocent civilians being murdered. This in turn was a catalyst for the nationalist working class to turn to the IRA for defence against state sponsored thugs and latterly MI5 run loyalist death squads. As for being cynical. It has nothing to do with cynicism. I pick my side, as do you. If the revolution is "supported by the majority of the island's population", why will the Cuban regime not hold free and fair multi-party elections? Answer: because it knows it is not supported by the majority and would lose. It can only stay in power by implementing totalitarianism and rigged elections. As for China and Saudi Arabia, you're absolutely right – they're both as unpleasant as Cuba; the latter potentially even more so. But that's not what we're discussing here. Your crocodile tears about "[driving] a legitimate civil rights movement from the streets" are persuading nobody of your commitment to human rights. You openly applaud it when the Cuban regime imprisons, tortures, brainwashes and murders peaceful political opponents on the basis that they are "counter-revolutionary criminals". The simple fact is that you are arguing that black is white: that liberal democracies are dictatorships and dictatorships are liberal democracies. It's the blatantly cynical position that is always taken by communists and other defenders of totalitarianism. I repeat: you are fooling nobody. |
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Aug 30, 2022 18:56:03 GMT
Post by politician2 on Aug 30, 2022 18:56:03 GMT
The solution suddenly struck me too What are adverts designed to do? Sell products and services So even if minorites make up a relatively small percentage of the population they are still an important demographic, see also the Pink Pound etc. With that in mind, it's little wonder that advertisers want as many people as possible to see themselves represented. It's also why many ads are so multi-generational as well. Adverts are not meant to be an accurate represenation of the country, adverts are meant to sell stuff to as wider group as possible. The more generic the product (e.g. fast food, supermarkets, holiday companies, insurers, financial services) the broader they want the ad's reach to be. Obvious when you think about it Case closed Not really, no. You're absolutely right: you would indeed expect minorities to be overrepresented in advertising to some extent (and I speak from experience, having been a copywriter from the mid-eighties onwards). They always have been. But not to the extent where 3% of the population makes up nearly 50% of the people in commercials. That is something new, different, and frankly odd. It's even odder that it's specifically black people, as I have noted, and not other ethnic minorities. |
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Post by zeopold on Aug 30, 2022 19:18:40 GMT
A novel solution to the energy crisis would be to put Poli & co in front of the telly to watch Channel 5’s Anne Boleyn series and run a pipe from their earholes to a steam turbine   |
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