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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 24, 2020 8:57:33 GMT
Seminal pioneers
I Remember You Live 1977
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 13:51:28 GMT
Bubblegum rock for plastic transistors.
NOT a punk band.👍
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 24, 2020 15:36:07 GMT
Not. A. Punk. Band.  One for the worthy but shite list then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 16:55:06 GMT
Other than a couple of songs the music is awful and they looked dreadful.
The Pistols were the band that defined punk.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 24, 2020 18:57:12 GMT
Plain wrong  1976!First band to wear biker jackets First band to wear drainpipes with rips First band to start songs on their album with 1234... First band to construct songs around 2/3 chords First punk album They were one of the original punk bands, if not THE original punk band To suggest otherwise is just wrong You may not like them or rate them but that's a different matter They were an inspiration to the UK punk scene and their Roundhouse show in July 76 was an important milestone - the Clash, the Sex Pistols and the Damned were all in the audience Read all about it here, plus some great photos... flashbak.com/the-ramones-play-the-sleaziest-garage-ever-the-roundhouse-london-july-4-1976-369223/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:43:18 GMT
Marlon Brando wore a leather jacket.
Richard Hell wore ripped straightleg jean's as far back as 73.
Gene Vincent and Manfred Mann used countdown introductions before the Ramones.
The Stooges used 2/3 chord structures before the 70's even started! As did the MC5.
As for their gigs. Lydon subsequently claimed he didn't rate them. Jones and Cook certainly didn't copy them.
It's all revisionist mythology.
As for the music?Mid paced, samey droning with some of the worst vocals committed to vinyl.
The Pistols defined punk. Everyone knows this👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:46:11 GMT
If you read Jones' book, the early Pistols had bugger all to do with the Ramones and followed their own unique natural trajectory.
One band had nothing to do with the other.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jun 25, 2020 6:55:25 GMT
Ifs, buts, maybes....
All I know is to suggest the Ramones were not a punk band (and a v influential one) is absurd
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 10:56:13 GMT
I personally don't consider them a punk band musically or attitude wise.
The music is mid paced rock music which jumped on the Iggy/garage rock band wagon.
The lyrics could have been written by a 3 year old.
In fact 'Communication Breakdown' by Led Zeppelin is more of a punk song than anything the Ramones ever did.
The Ramones back then probably didn't see themselves as a 'punk' band anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 10:57:50 GMT
Ifs, buts, maybes.... All I know is to suggest the Ramones were not a punk band (and a v influential one) is absurd There are no ifs about it. The above are facts, it's just down to perception |
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Post by johnnyoi on Jun 25, 2020 12:34:26 GMT
Hold on the Ramones not a punk band ??!! !er...What other first wave bands would you class as “not punk”?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 14:07:56 GMT
The Clash after 79 is the most obvious one.
Adam and the Ants.
The Only Ones
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 14:34:27 GMT
Ifs, buts, maybes.... All I know is to suggest the Ramones were not a punk band (and a v influential one) is absurd Actually amongst a lot of people who went to be major players in the American hardcore scene like Ian MacKaye and Henry Rollins both cite the Damned and the Subs as a big influence on the hardcore sound. MacKaye also cited Wire. Jello mentions the Ramones but he said he got into punk after seeing the Pistols at Winterland. That's evident if you look at some of lyrical'sloganeering' of the DK's in the early days. |
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Post by andyloneshark on Jun 26, 2020 18:55:31 GMT
Lemmy understood what made The Ramones so good.
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Post by andyloneshark on Jun 26, 2020 18:57:31 GMT
...and so did Lou Reed back in 1975
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