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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 23, 2023 16:55:27 GMT
I believe a fair chunk of that is legal migration. Instead of getting nurses and doctors from Europe to fill chronic staff shortages in the NHS and social care we now get them from the Commonwealth
Welcome to Brexit Britain
It's just like being in the EU only far more shit
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Post by doug61 on Nov 23, 2023 17:42:00 GMT
I believe a fair chunk of that is legal migration. Instead of getting nurses and doctors from Europe to fill chronic staff shortages in the NHS and social care we now get them from the Commonwealth Welcome to Brexit Britain It's just like being in the EU only far more shit Without knowing the exact numbers though it is tough to call the Government out over their bullshit on immigration and have a grown up discussion. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 23, 2023 18:00:26 GMT
Well it is, because the Govt is obsessed with all immigration - and specifically net migration (the amount the total population increases)
After the 2010 election, the government’s stated goal was to reduce net migration to under 100,000 a year & the manifesto contained a promise to get net migration down to the "tens of thousands a year". The government introduced several policies to restrict migration. These included restrictions on skilled workers, whose numbers were capped and who faced increased skill and salary requirements
The promise of net migration in the tens of thousands appeared again in the Conservative Party's 2015 manifesto.
The promise remained unkept under former prime minister Theresa May, who held the line of "net migration down to the tens of thousands" in the Conservative Party's 2017 manifesto.
Only in its 2019 manifesto, when Boris Johnson succeeded her as Tory leader, did the party ditch the under-100,000 pledge.
On 1 January 2021, the UK implemented a new immigration system: the “Points-Based Immigration System”. This followed the end of the UK’s participation in EU freedom of movement on 31 December 2020 - surely ths would do the trick?
So the latest news that net migration into UK in 2022 was revised up to the record-breaking figure of 745,000 is, according to their own parameters, a total disaster
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 23, 2023 18:07:03 GMT
Of course all of this could be reframed as very good news...
Loads of people want to live here
And prefer it here to other European countries, that could be seen as a competitive advantage to have hundreds of thousands of people wanting to be here and not in other European countries
Our birthrate is declining
And all this net migration will boost the annual tax revenue by around £18bn
Vacancies get filled which is another economic boost
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 24, 2023 11:02:26 GMT
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Post by doug61 on Nov 24, 2023 14:55:06 GMT
Those papers are pushing it for one reason only, they think immigration is the only subject, along with "woke" that the Tories can win the next election on. and they know a Labour Government will mean a crackdown on tax evasion and loopholes on profits being closed.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 24, 2023 16:34:43 GMT
Those papers are pushing it for one reason only, they think immigration is the only subject, along with "woke" that the Tories can win the next election on. and they know a Labour Government will mean a crackdown on tax evasion and loopholes on profits being closed. I'd agree but it also starkly demonstrates how spectacularly the Tories have failed at the one thing they have consistently made such a song and dance about I really wish Labour would make the argument in favour of immigration along the lines I outlined above... Of course all of this could be reframed as very good news... Loads of people want to live here And prefer it here to other European countries, that could be seen as a competitive advantage to have hundreds of thousands of people wanting to be here and not in other European countries Our birthrate is declining And all this net migration will boost the annual tax revenue by around £18bn Vacancies get filled which is another economic boost |
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Post by doug61 on Nov 25, 2023 9:41:13 GMT
Those papers are pushing it for one reason only, they think immigration is the only subject, along with "woke" that the Tories can win the next election on. and they know a Labour Government will mean a crackdown on tax evasion and loopholes on profits being closed. I'd agree but it also starkly demonstrates how spectacularly the Tories have failed at the one thing they have consistently made such a song and dance about I really wish Labour would make the argument in favour of immigration along the lines I outlined above... Of course all of this could be reframed as very good news... Loads of people want to live here And prefer it here to other European countries, that could be seen as a competitive advantage to have hundreds of thousands of people wanting to be here and not in other European countries Our birthrate is declining And all this net migration will boost the annual tax revenue by around £18bn Vacancies get filled which is another economic boost The Conservatives would rather attempt to force sick and disabled people into jobs they are unsuited for than deal with the underlying problem which largely comes down to wage stagnation and exploiting cheap foreign labour. We shouldn't be employing over half of Ghana's health workers as they need them, we should be paying good wages and conditions and retaining our own staff. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 25, 2023 11:12:56 GMT
100% Doug And that all comes back to a grown up debate about tax It's all well and good taxing income but it's wealth that really needs to be taxed The disaprity between the richest and the rest is massive and getting bigger There's plenty of money to go round but no politician wants to go there at the moment Take land for example, most of the England is still owned by the same families that took control after the Norman Conquest.. www.countryfile.com/news/who-owns-england-history-of-englands-landownership-and-how-much-is-privately-owned-todayLandowners are more likely to get grants than pax tax on their collosal land wealth |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 25, 2023 11:56:50 GMT
In other immigration news...
James Cleverly ‘frustrated’ with fixation on government’s Rwanda policy
Home secretary says policy not ‘be all and end all’ of plans to tackle illegal immigration, in clear break from Braverman
James Cleverly has said he is frustrated with the fixation on the government’s Rwanda policy, saying it is not the “be all and end all” of plans to tackle illegal immigration. The home secretary, who replaced Suella Braverman after she was sacked almost a fortnight ago, told the Times he had become frustrated with the focus on the Rwanda plan. “My frustration is that we have allowed the narrative to be created that this was the be all and end all,” he said. “The mission is to stop the boats. That’s the promise to the British people. Never lose sight of the mission. There are multiple methods. Don’t fixate on the methods. Focus on the mission.” Rest here... www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/25/james-cleverly-frustrated-with-fixation-government-rwanda-immigration-policyAnd more generally.... Net migration to the UK reached a record 745,000 in the year to December 2022, according to revised estimates published by the Office for National Statistics on Thursday. The data places migration levels at three times higher than before Brexit, despite a Conservative party 2019 manifesto pledge to bring overall numbers down. Sunak is under pressure from Conservative MPs angered by the latest data on legal net migration. The former prime minister Boris Johnson became the latest Tory to pile pressure on the prime minister to act on immigration on Friday. He said in his Daily Mail column the figures were “way, way too big” and that the minimum income for most migrant workers coming to the UK should rise to £40,000. From the same article |
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