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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 14:50:26 GMT
So did Isle of Man pay for their own vaccines, business support etc? I genuinely don't know Business support? Definitely. Vaccines? I very much doubt the UK Government gave the island a batch of free shots. But like you, I don't know for certain and can't immediately find that information online.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 14:50:40 GMT
If not stolen then denied through a taxation loophole
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 14:59:16 GMT
If not stolen then denied through a taxation loophole Depends what you mean by a "loophole". Tax evasion? Tax avoidance? Tax mitigation? They're completely different things.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 15:18:55 GMT
If not stolen then denied through a taxation loophole Depends what you mean by a "loophole". Tax evasion? Tax avoidance? Tax mitigation? They're completely different things. I mean all of the above Finding a way to reduce your tax bill by relocating your business a few miles away whilst still enjoying the same privileges which businesses and individual in the UK have
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Post by zeopold on Jan 5, 2023 15:20:19 GMT
...with money stolen from the citizens of the countries where the offshore-registered businesses operate. Except it isn't actually "stolen", is it? Taking what rightfully belongs to someone else fits my definition. YMMV.
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 15:32:25 GMT
I mean all of the above Finding a way to reduce your tax bill by relocating your business a few miles away whilst still enjoying the same privileges which businesses and individual in the UK have Physically relocating to another jurisdiction is neither tax avoidance nor evasion: people are entirely free to do that once they have cleared their tax liability in their former jurisdiction. Or are you arguing that people are mere chattels of the state and should be required to live, work and pay tax wherever they were born until the day they die?
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 15:33:42 GMT
Except it isn't actually "stolen", is it? Taking what rightfully belongs to someone else fits my definition. YMMV. Except that if people or businesses physically relocate to another jurisdiction, their tax rightfully belongs to that jurisdiction, not the one in which they used to be based.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 16:45:51 GMT
There seem to be two arguments here:
Pol: the rules are the rules and people are free to do what they want to gain an advantage
Zeo/Me: Britain's complicity in offshore tax dodging via its overseas territories and crown dependencies is immoral and should be stopped
No surprise Pol defends this situation. He's an unapologetic Tory who comfortable with a lot of their divisive and unfair policies
And personally benefits from the system
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Post by zeopold on Jan 5, 2023 17:44:50 GMT
Taking what rightfully belongs to someone else fits my definition. YMMV. Except that if people or businesses physically relocate to another jurisdiction, their tax rightfully belongs to that jurisdiction, not the one in which they used to be based. Not if the revenue is still being generated where they slunk off from
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Post by zeopold on Jan 5, 2023 17:51:08 GMT
No surprise Pol defends this situation. He's an unapologetic Tory who comfortable with a lot of their divisive and unfair policies And personally benefits from the system To be fair to Poli you're jumping to conclusions there. We could give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he emigrated from Monaco to the IoM in order to donate 20% of his income to help the locals out with schools, hospitals, etc
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 18:00:44 GMT
Not if the revenue is still being generated where they slunk off from Well, that brings us onto the question of country-by-country taxation of profits for multinationals, which was fashionable with the "tax justice" community about 10 years ago. Problem is, when I mentioned it to you back then, you insisted you didn't support it and weren't arguing in its favour.
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 18:03:27 GMT
We could give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he emigrated from Monaco to the IoM in order to donate 20% of his income to help the locals out with schools, hospitals, etc On the contrary, I was pushing 40 and concluded that that additional 20% could much more usefully be employed funding my retirement rather than enabling a Labour government to buy votes through creating a civil service client electorate and offering benefit bribes. Not sure where Monaco comes into the equation though, as I've never even set foot in the place.
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Post by zeopold on Jan 5, 2023 18:33:24 GMT
Not sure where Monaco comes into the equation though, as I've never even set foot in the place. A hypothetical example of somewhere with a lower tax rate... thanks for confirming Nigey's suspicions regarding your motivation, though.
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 18:40:32 GMT
A hypothetical example of somewhere with a lower tax rate... thanks for confirming Nigey's suspicions regarding your motivation, though. Monaco may have low tax rates, but the sky-high cost of living would wipe out the advantages for all but the über-wealthy. As for my motivations: reducing my tax bill obviously played a huge part, though the obvious beginnings of urban decay in Worthing didn't exactly make me keen to stay. Moving to the island was the best thing I ever did, as the crime rate is low, the surroundings are beautiful, and I've made an amazing set of friends.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 19:11:01 GMT
You called that one wrong
Very prosperous. Full of yer metrosexuals and liberal elite now. Probably go Labour at the next election.
Loads going on there - craft pubs, new restaurants etc
The local team got promotion (into National League South) last season
Got to be better than the IOM
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