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Post by politician2 on Dec 31, 2022 14:38:09 GMT
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Post by doug61 on Jan 1, 2023 13:54:21 GMT
Nothing can save the Tory party, the most incompetent passage of time in British parliamentary history or close to it the last few years. A party of lies and corruption and an economy destroyed by what? about 90k Staunch Conservatives who elected Truss.
A pox on all of them, although no doubt the economy collapse will no doubt affect those fuckers the least.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 1, 2023 15:15:27 GMT
100%
Hopefully the vast majority can now clearly see they conserve nothing, they are totally self interested, incompetent, corrupt and have totally fucked the economy and public services. More interested in stoking culture wars and dissent than doing anythign vaguely constructive
Only interested in themselves and the tax dodging backers
Fuck the lot of them
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Post by zeopold on Jan 4, 2023 22:53:38 GMT
Obvs, it's chock full of tax-fiddling gammons.
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 12:19:16 GMT
Obvs, it's chock full of tax-fiddling gammons. If they're genuinely tax-resident here, then they're not fiddling anything. But we've been through this countless times before. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 12:43:23 GMT
Obvs, it's chock full of tax-fiddling gammons. If they're genuinely tax-resident here, then they're not fiddling anything. But we've been through this countless times before. My guess is Zeo is differentiating between what is legal and what is moral (or fair) |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 12:50:21 GMT
My guess is Zeo is differentiating between what is legal and what is moral (or fair) I suspect not. Based on previous discussions with him, I suspect he's arguing that people continue to owe tax in countries where they used to be resident, even though they no longer live or work there. I'm never quite sure whether he actually believes in this argument or is simply trolling me. |
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Post by zeopold on Jan 5, 2023 12:53:36 GMT
If they're genuinely tax-resident here, then they're not fiddling anything. But we've been through this countless times before. My guess is Zeo is differentiating between what is legal and what is moral (or fair)  You'll find the full spectrum from immoral, quasi-legal to outright illegal tax fiddlers on the IoM. After all, the main reason rich people move there is to cut their tax bills, so it's not rocket science. |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 12:56:13 GMT
The main reason rich people move there is to cut their tax bills. Sure, some do. That doesn't make their behaviour "outright illegal", "quasi-legal" or even "immoral". People can live, work and pay tax wherever they want. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 12:59:49 GMT
The main reason rich people move there is to cut their tax bills. Sure, some do. That doesn't make their behaviour "outright illegal", "quasi-legal" or even "immoral". People can live, work and pay tax wherever they want. Just because they can doesn't mean they should |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 13:02:10 GMT
Just because they can doesn't mean they should They should if they want to, because it's their choice and nobody else's business. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 5, 2023 13:04:12 GMT
Just because they can doesn't mean they should They should if they want to, because it's their choice and nobody else's business. In other words, greedy selfish fuckers who are happy to use public services but don't think they should pay what they can afford |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 13:06:23 GMT
In other words, greedy selfish fuckers who are happy to use public services but don't think they should pay what they can afford No, that's not the case at all. Provided those people paid their taxes up to date wherever they used to live and continue to pay their taxes where they are now, they have "paid what they can afford" in full. Zeo tends to argue that people should continue to fund public services in places where they no longer consume them, which to me is nonsensical. |
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Post by zeopold on Jan 5, 2023 13:06:31 GMT
The main reason rich people move there is to cut their tax bills. Sure, some do. That doesn't make their behaviour "outright illegal", "quasi-legal" or even "immoral". People can live, work and pay tax wherever they want. Choice of residence determined primarily by an intention to dodge tax indicates greed, which is immoral... not to mention selfish and unpatriotic  |
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Post by politician2 on Jan 5, 2023 13:09:03 GMT
Choice of residence determined primarily by an intention to dodge tax indicates greed, which is immoral... not to mention selfish and unpatriotic It's not "immoral" or "selfish" in the slightest. People have the fundamental right to live, work and pay tax wherever they want. |
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