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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 2, 2020 7:04:07 GMT
I would play 'Movement' every now and again just to see how much of a bad band was trying to get out. Mind you if JD did release a third album it would have ended up as 2nd rate Goth music. Hannet was making them more and more contrived. Still 'Movement' is a curious piece, they were a man short and it showed. Movement is the remnants of JD trying to come to terms with losing their singer, friend and lyricist - and unsure whether they can continue without him |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 2, 2020 7:07:12 GMT
Debut single Ceremony augered well though
The lyrics have always been a bit rubbish (though sometimes in a witty way) post Curtis
New Order - Ceremony
This is why events unnerve me
They find it all, a different story
Notice whom for wheels are turning
Turn again and turn towards this time
All she asks is the strength to hold me
Then again the same old story
Word will travel oh so quickly
Travel first and lean towards this time
I'll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
Watching her, these things she said
The times she cried
Too frail to wake this time
I'll take them down, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
Avenues all lined with trees
Picture me and then you start watching
Watching forever, forever
Watching love grow, forever
Let it be known, forever
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 2, 2020 7:09:23 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for Dreams Never End too...
New Order - Dreams Never End
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:24:23 GMT
I would play 'Movement' every now and again just to see how much of a bad band was trying to get out. Mind you if JD did release a third album it would have ended up as 2nd rate Goth music. Hannet was making them more and more contrived. Still 'Movement' is a curious piece, they were a man short and it showed. Movement is the remnants of JD trying to come to terms with losing their singer, friend and lyricist - and unsure whether they can continue without him They couldn't have got it more wrong. They lost their whole dynamic too |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:26:29 GMT
Debut single Ceremony augered well though The lyrics have always been a bit rubbish (though sometimes in a witty way) post Curtis New Order - CeremonyThis is why events unnerve me
They find it all, a different story
Notice whom for wheels are turning
Turn again and turn towards this time
All she asks is the strength to hold me
Then again the same old story
Word will travel oh so quickly
Travel first and lean towards this time
I'll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
Watching her, these things she said
The times she cried
Too frail to wake this time
I'll take them down, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
Avenues all lined with trees
Picture me and then you start watching
Watching forever, forever
Watching love grow, forever
Let it be known, foreverThe 'Ceremony' single(and the b-side was good too)was the only New Order single I ever bought. Great stuff but you're right about the lyrics. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 2, 2020 13:10:47 GMT
For my money, the great leap forward came with the next album... Power, Corruption & Lies (1983) ...(and they didn't even include the enormous "Blue Monday" single, released earlier in 1983) :format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-297023-1490142659-9860.jpeg.jpg) Where Movement sounds tentative and a bit lost, Power, Corruption & Lies sounds confident and assured Bernard Sumner sounds more relaxed as vocalist It's got the lot Opener Age of Consent is a hell of a statement of intent - a truly great pop song.... New Order - Age Of ConsentThe, when you thought you'd got the album's measure, the second tune is dubby and melancholic, but no less powerful... New Order - We All StandAnd so it goes. Tunes, experimentation, groove, and - above all - beauty Each tune is wonderful but a particular favourite is Your Silent Face - here it is live in Glasgow in 2009. Look carefully and you'll see Rogue grooving in the crowd... New Order - Your Silent Face [Live in Glasgow] |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:21:51 GMT
I thought Sumners vocals were the worst thing about New Order.
Deliberately restrained and monotonous.
He had(and has)no vocal range.
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Post by zeopold on Sept 2, 2020 18:37:25 GMT
If only they had stfu after Curtis passed away  |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 2, 2020 19:26:14 GMT
I thought Sumners vocals were the worst thing about New Order. Deliberately restrained and monotonous. He had(and has)no vocal range. I agree he's not much of a singer Then again I have grown to really enjoy his delivery - perhaps it's an acquired taste? If only they had stfu after Curtis passed away So you keep saying. I'm not sure why though You don't enjoy it Plenty of others do Just enjoy what you like and ignore what you don't Simple |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 19:51:22 GMT
I would agree with that. Even though I don't really enjoy 'Movement' it's an interesting piece due to the fact it is a Joy Division record without the crucial part of the jigsaw.
That alone makes it part of the JD story in a compare and contrast way more than anything.
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Post by zeopold on Sept 3, 2020 8:19:58 GMT
If only they had stfu after Curtis passed away So you keep saying. I'm not sure why though In that case I'll be happy to elaborate: If, after Curtis' passing, they'd had the good grace to sell their instruments and go to work in shops i might have a shred of respect for them. Instead they used it as an opportunity to peddle a load of insipid, pretentious, vacuous pap, thereby tarnishing the legacy of the great artist with whom they'd had the privilege to work. As a discerning listener I cannot, and frankly, will not accept this worthless group under any circumstances. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 3, 2020 9:02:44 GMT
If, after Curtis' passing, they'd had the good grace to sell their instruments and go to work in shops i might have a shred of respect for them. Instead they used it as an opportunity to peddle a load of insipid, pretentious, vacuous pap, thereby tarnishing the legacy of the great artist with whom they'd had the privilege to work. As a discerning listener I cannot, and frankly, will not accept this worthless group under any circumstances. Work in a shop?! Like anyone would do that if they enjoyed making music and could make a living out of it I would have a bit more sympathy with your view they'd tarnished the legacy of Ian Curtis if they'd perserved with the Joy Division name and got a new singer in Instead New Order were a completely new group with a new name, and a sound which evolved away from JD and towards the dancefloor and was informed by new technology. In fact they did all they could to make it clear that New Order were completely distinct from Joy Division. I'd also be amazed if Ian Curtis, who seemed like a very down to earth bloke, would be remotely precious about his "legacy" and I am sure he would have wanted his mates to continue to make music, support Factory Records, and so indirectly finance all the great music the label released, plus the Dry bar, Hacienda etc etc
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Post by zeopold on Sept 3, 2020 9:04:18 GMT
There were plenty of opportunities at places like B&Q and Woolworths at the time |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 3, 2020 9:12:18 GMT
There were plenty of opportunities at places like B&Q and Woolworths at the time Hooky could be Regional Manager now if he'd played his cards right |
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Post by zeopold on Sept 3, 2020 9:17:31 GMT
There were plenty of opportunities at places like B&Q and Woolworths at the time Hooky could be Regional Manager now if he'd played his cards right I'm not saying he should have completely abandoned the music business. He could have applied for a position in the hi-fi dept. at Rumbelows, for example. |
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