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Sept 12, 2020 10:57:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 10:57:55 GMT
Well, this is a music forum so its just an opinion about their music.
My point is that they came from a band I liked(Warsaw/Joy Division)and changed into something which was utter rubbish.
This is worth commenting on.
It has nothing to do with not being able to play their instruments or not.
It's about their change of direction and dynamic.
Happens to bands all the time.
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Post by politician2 on Sept 12, 2020 11:02:13 GMT
I've no idea whether Hook could play bass and sing simultaneously or not, but to downgrade him as a bassist seems perverse – he was one of the three most significant and influential bassists of the eighties, with an instantly recognisable style. The other two, I'd say, were Mark King of Level 42 and, less predictably, Nick Beggs of Kajagoogoo – a true virtuoso who has spent his subsequent career in progressive rock bands and is one of the most sought-after bassists in the world today.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 12, 2020 11:07:15 GMT
Fair enough - your opinion is as valid as anyone's
So your comments about their musical ability are more about your dismay at their the change of direction?
As you say, happens all the time
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Sept 12, 2020 11:17:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:17:58 GMT
I've no idea whether Hook could play bass and sing simultaneously or not, but to downgrade him as a bassist seems perverse – he was one of the three most significant and influential bassists of the eighties, with an instantly recognisable style. The other two, I'd say, were Mark King of Level 42 and, less predictably, Nick Beggs of Kajagoogoo – a true virtuoso who has spent his subsequent career in progressive rock bands and is one of the most sought-after bassists in the world today. I would say his bass playing with Joy Division certainly was influential and is probably one of the most entertaining aspects of JD. Just a pity he's a complete bellend as a person. For all of Bernard Sumners musical limitations he seems a lot more level headed and non egotistical. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:19:21 GMT
Fair enough - your opinion is as valid as anyone's So your comments about their musical ability are more about your dismay at their the change of direction? As you say, happens all the time Well, obviously,why else would I comment it? Look at Discharge! |
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Sept 13, 2020 14:01:30 GMT
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Post by smogquixote on Sept 13, 2020 14:01:30 GMT
I can't remember now but it's a pretty well known story. Barney was off his head It was also their decision to play live You probably know TOTP required every artist to rerecord their track for the show whilst an MU person looked on. At a crucial moment the recorded tape would be switched with the actual single recording. Everyone knew this went on. Wilful types like New Order couldn't be bothered with such shenanigans and just played live. Most of their TOTP performances sound terrible because the show was geared up to live music. The other issue that is well documented is that, as this was the early days of a lot of the technology they were using, the equipment was really unreliable, and the synths regularly went awry. I've seen both New Order and Joy Division and can confirm they can play. The issues arose when the equipment failed and when their was too much drug taking When you say the track was doctored do you mean it was well produced in a studio? Er, yeah. Of course. As if you’ve seen Joy Division, that’s insane! |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 13, 2020 14:28:34 GMT
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Post by jsm on Sept 14, 2020 2:48:14 GMT
I saw them when they did their first tour of Australia. They opened the gig with a tape of them playing for about 5 minutes before they actually took the stage and the whole thing was over in less than 30 minutes. I felt ripped off, but I still liked it
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 15, 2020 18:58:14 GMT
Today's album of the day...  New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies (1983)I know they're a divisive group so no need to post if you disagree with me, but here are a few musings.... A clear progression from the more obviously post-Joy Division Movement (1981) and the moment when New Order truly carved out their own sound. Whilst lyrics have never been their strong point, at least objectively, Barney’s words somehow fit and have a charm of their own. I’d say the same about his voice too. Although a synth heavy LP it seems to stand apart from a lot of synth pop of the early 80s. Somehow they get a weightier and more substantial mood than their peers which was probably the result of some serious experimentation, as well as great songwriting. It’s confident too. Not only did they leave off mega hit Blue Monday, but also the single which preceded PC&L, the amazing Temptation (best in the seven inch version fact fans). That’s the sign of a group exuding confidence and creativity. Age of Consent is a stunning opener and still one of their best songs in my humble opinion. Your Silent Face has the sort of melancholic, yearning vibe that always hits my sweet spot. All eight tracks are winners though and PC&L works as a complete album with a cohesive and yet eclectic selection of music. 9/10 |
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Post by stu77 on Dec 18, 2020 3:59:42 GMT
This is a bit of an eye opener
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Jan 7, 2021 18:07:30 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Jan 7, 2021 18:07:30 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 7, 2021 19:41:42 GMT
Not a bad list Stu
Do you broadly agree?
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Jan 7, 2021 20:59:58 GMT
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Post by stu77 on Jan 7, 2021 20:59:58 GMT
Not a bad list Stu Do you broadly agree? Er not really. The ommision of Leave Me Alone is criminal. Lots of other great songs not present eg Loveless, Dreams Never End, Procession, In A Lonely Place, California Grass etc etc |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 7, 2021 21:37:44 GMT
True, it's quite obvious but always gonna be tricky to whittle it down with so many great tunes
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 22, 2021 10:01:15 GMT
Today's album of the day... Recorded in Ibiza in the late 80s. Apparently the group had no idea Ibiza was epicentre of the burgeoning acid house scene. The rest is history  Technique, the fifth studio album by New Order Released on 30 January 1989 by Factory Records |
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