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Post by doug61 on Jul 29, 2021 12:30:28 GMT
I really knew American hardcore was not for me after I learned all about it on Quincy ME in 1983 [this episode was from Dec 1982, but it would have aired in Australia the following year]
Quince will sort it out, Assistant Sam was more a Death Metal man though, got done for some Church burnings in the Hollywood Hills.
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Post by andyloneshark on Mar 15, 2022 20:56:05 GMT
Social Unrest were a band i got into around the same time i started listening to M.I.A. (the mid 80s)
They had much in common, in that their sound was initially Hardcore, but also melodic... this song is a prime example. It's starts off, out of the gate as full steam ahead 300bpm, snarling and pissed off... but 70 seconds in suddenly shifts tempo into something stridently melodic with some nifty basswork Social Unrest were not generic...
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Post by Billy Idle on Mar 16, 2022 8:57:29 GMT
yeah, that tempo change takes it into new territory . I 'm in .
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 16, 2022 15:42:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 19:00:57 GMT
Wonder what they thought about their parent's 'work'?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 8:33:33 GMT
That's quite some episode of Quincy. Enough to put anyone off Hardcore. You do know that that episode of Quincy is an ignorant establishment view of punk in America at the time?π If you don't......ππ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 8:38:53 GMT
Nothing beats this on a Saturday morningπ
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 17, 2022 8:59:48 GMT
That's quite some episode of Quincy. Enough to put anyone off Hardcore. You do know that that episode of Quincy is an ignorant establishment view of punk in America at the time?π If you don't......ππ Yeah, pieced that one together That said, there's many aspects of the US scenes that would have made me run a mile... frat boy mentality, homophobia, closed mindedness etc. It threw up some interesting music though and there was a lot of good that came out of the scenes too
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 9:16:42 GMT
You do know that that episode of Quincy is an ignorant establishment view of punk in America at the time?π If you don't......ππ Yeah, pieced that one together That said, there's many aspects of the US scenes that would have made me run a mile... frat boy mentality, homophobia, closed mindedness etc. It threw up some interesting music though and there was a lot of good that came out of the scenes too If you're getting your info from Steven Blush's book, that's only his opinion. Having met lots of people from the US when they were over touring, it differed from scene to scene. Sure there were arseholes over there involved with punk as there were here but the DC, San Francisco scenes couldn't be more different from New York etc. Considering the size of America, it was enivitable.
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Post by andyloneshark on Sept 17, 2022 9:52:03 GMT
I suggest the frat boy mentality, homophobia, closed mindedness ...oh and blatant sexism and crass glorification of comsumerism was far more prevalent in Rap and Hip Hop in the 1980s and beyond... funny how that seems to be accepted.
I think without the explosion of Punk/Hardcore in America during that decade, it would have perhaps died out completely. The baton needed to be passed to a new generation. DIY Punk labels, fanzines, touring networks, sharing of information, word of mouth and tsunami of new bands in the US kept the Punk spirit alive into the 90s where it finally went mainstream.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 17, 2022 20:11:18 GMT
All good points - definitely can see the DIY fanzines, labels, etc as v positive
And, yeah, I am taking a lot of what Blush takes at face value, possibly he is not to be trusted?
Was it Huntington Beach where the scene was v violent (according to Blush)? I remember thinking it seemed more about fighting and violence than music, with more vulnerable outsider types often getting a v w deal and clubs getting trashed? Might be misremembering.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 22:40:23 GMT
All good points - definitely can see the DIY fanzines, labels, etc as v positive And, yeah, I am taking a lot of what Blush takes at face value, possibly he is not to be trusted? Was it Huntington Beach where the scene was v violent (according to Blush)? I remember thinking it seemed more about fighting and violence than music, with more vulnerable outsider types often getting a v w deal and clubs getting trashed? Might be misremembering. Blush's book had his own agenda which focused on violence. I found him and it very unpleasant. He is only one opinion.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 18, 2022 7:45:40 GMT
What book or doc or whatever would you recommend for an alternative perspective?
I don't recall Blush being that focussed on violence, might have a flick through to remind myself. It seemed every local scene had its own characteristics as you'd expect
There was a notable absence of women and gays etc.? What's your perception? Plus some v narrow minded people involved?
That Rollins book, Get In The Van, seemed to feature a lot of trouble and violence at gigs too
Rollins got very down about it I recall
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 8:48:53 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 19, 2022 11:49:11 GMT
Thanks rogue, watched that vid. Enjoyed it.
Didn't alter my more negative perceptions though (but reinforced my positive ones). For all the good stuff, there was a notable absence of women and gays etc.? What's your perception? Plus some v narrow minded people at the gigs?
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