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Post by andyloneshark on Sept 19, 2022 15:03:51 GMT
...the number of girls/women on the scene definitely dropped off in the 80s, Penelope Houston commented on that regarding San Francisco, but as mentioned on this thread already, across America, not completely. Alice Bag made this statement this week about the first wave of L.A. Punk... "The one thing everyone in the early Hollywood punk scene had in common was that we were all weirdos, misfits. In some way, each of us had been rejected by our neighborhoods, or our families, or our communities, and we all came to Hollywood to be with other weirdos. Being a weirdo isn’t something you grow out of - you just keep being a weirdo for the rest of your life and hopefully you find a constructive way to channel your weirdness" Photo by @onodream (at the Masque in 1977.)  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 15:17:51 GMT
Thanks rogue, watched that vid. Enjoyed it. Didn't alter my more negative perceptions though (but reinforced my positive ones). For all the good stuff, there was a notable absence of women and gays etc.? What's your perception? Plus some v narrow minded people at the gigs? Obviously, there are consecutive parts to that doc. It depends what you compare any scene to. Most punk scenes have been white, male and heterosexual predominately. Look at the 77 punk scene for example, the white men easily outnumbered everyone else. There were hardly any women or black people involved in the Glasgow punk scene when I was involved with it. You also had scenes which were run by a group of scenesters which the majority fed off it just like any other consumer youth group. This was universal to all punk scenes. Punk's aren't as enlightened as they like to think they are. I found a lot of them quite conservative. However, you had a lot of people doing a lot of positive stuff too like any creative community thankfully. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 20:56:48 GMT
Hardcore punk wasn't and isn't always 100mph thrash as this brilliant band so ably demonstrated.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 21, 2022 13:07:07 GMT
Rhythm Pigs sounds good based on that tune - reminiscent of Husker Du and Sugar, amongst others
A flick through this sounds promising too...
Rhythm Pigs - Choke On This (Full Album)
Most punk scenes have been white, male and heterosexual predominately In early UK punk there were quite a few women involved too... Polly, Siouxsie, Slits, and later Mo-Dettes, Au Pairs, Raincoats etc I loved that early period when there were no rules and things had not become codeified A lot of Hardcore seems to come from a narrow template of faster, more aggressive, shorter, shouty, bludgeon the audience into submission etc Then again, I know it's not all like that, and - like with reggae - to the outsider it might all sound the same to the people who get immersed there's a world of subtle and not so subtle differences. I expect that's what you can detect with your greater knowledge and passion for the sound and the scene |
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Post by andyloneshark on Sept 21, 2022 13:57:04 GMT
...how much it was codeified, seemed to depend on what city the bands came from, but even then, there were bound to be bands that stood out, that did their own thing regardless of a prevailing teenage trend.
Texas in the 1980s was a rich breeding ground for creativity. I'm sure i have mentioned bands like Really Red on here before, but i think it's worth repeating that their music did not stick to any formula...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 15:10:04 GMT
Rhythm Pigs sounds good based on that tune - reminiscent of Husker Du and Sugar, amongst others
A flick through this sounds promising too...
Rhythm Pigs - Choke On This (Full Album)
Most punk scenes have been white, male and heterosexual predominately In early UK punk there were quite a few women involved too... Polly, Siouxsie, Slits, and later Mo-Dettes, Au Pairs, Raincoats etc I loved that early period when there were no rules and things had not become codeified A lot of Hardcore seems to come from a narrow template of faster, more aggressive, shorter, shouty, bludgeon the audience into submission etc Then again, I know it's not all like that, and - like with reggae - to the outsider it might all sound the same to the people who get immersed there's a world of subtle and not so subtle differences. I expect that's what you can detect with your greater knowledge and passion for the sound and the scene I personally thought they were a tuneful hardcore band with a Hendrix type guitar sound😃 I like their overall sound-very underated. Of course there were women involved in early UK punk but they were a tiny minority. I suppose that's why the Slits and Siouxsie were so important. Your analysis of hardcore above is pretty basic. Considering the amount of hardcore bands in the US they encompassed all sorts. There were literally thousands of bands from the late 70's onwards. All different. Thats a lazy generalisation usually used by people to dismiss it like you say. Their loss. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 21, 2022 16:00:46 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 21, 2022 16:01:57 GMT
...how much it was codeified, seemed to depend on what city the bands came from, but even then, there were bound to be bands that stood out, that did their own thing regardless of a prevailing teenage trend. Texas in the 1980s was a rich breeding ground for creativity. I'm sure i have mentioned bands like Really Red on here before, but i think it's worth repeating that their music did not stick to any formula... I don't remember you mentioning Really Red but I may not have been paying attention Thanks ALS |
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Post by zeopold on Sept 21, 2022 19:28:12 GMT
to the outsider it might all sound the same to the people who get immersed there's a world of subtle and not so subtle differences. I guess by the same token aficionados of the smell of dog's mess must get excited about the olfactory nuances which differentiate the Labrador and Border Collie product. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 22, 2022 6:05:49 GMT
to the outsider it might all sound the same to the people who get immersed there's a world of subtle and not so subtle differences. I guess by the same token aficionados of the smell of dog's mess must get excited about the olfactory nuances which differentiate the Labrador and Border Collie product. Doubtless Or the various different takes of Haitian Divorce on a 10 CD box set |
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Post by zeopold on Sept 22, 2022 7:50:44 GMT
I guess by the same token aficionados of the smell of dog's mess must get excited about the olfactory nuances which differentiate the Labrador and Border Collie product. Or the various different takes of Haitian Divorce on a 10 CD box set I never really understood the appeal of listening to outtakes. The definitive version of a tune is invariably selected for release for good reasons, particularly where the Dan are concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 23:53:56 GMT
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Post by andyloneshark on Jan 17, 2023 14:16:57 GMT
My three favourite bands to emerge from the Chicago Punk/Hardcore scene were No Empathy, Naked Raygun ...and THE EFFIGIES whose music never stayed in one spot for too long. This is an early Hardcore classic they recorded... (Admin... can you shift this to the 'Hardcore thread' i have posted it in the wrong place!  ) |
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Post by Billy Idle on Jan 31, 2023 15:46:00 GMT
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