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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 15:48:40 GMT
Even though they became rich rock stars they still retained a political ethos of sorts. What was political about Animals? I only know it very superficially Incidently, I thought that my comments on 'Animals' were better served in the other thread about 1977 albums as at the height of punk Floyd released which many consider their best album. An interesting juxtaposition for the thread I thought. Your original comment is still on the thread - and I agree, the original comment is about what else was happening in 1977 and fits better with that discussion, perhaps also some of what I moved too. It's tricky I refer to the tracks' Sheep'and Pigs(3 Different Ones)for political(and social)commentary. Also, Waters and Gilmour still retain a semblance of political activism for rich rock stars. Especially Waters. Pink Floyd were good to Barrett when he didn't deserve it(when he was a woman beating ego maniac)and the band got creative when Barrett jettisoned himself into the wilderness where he so obviously belonged. Its trendy to like Barrett in favour of the great band Pink Floyd became but it's a delusional selfish appraisal of someone who really wasn't fit to be in a band. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 14, 2021 16:02:17 GMT
Rest assured I'm only being guided by my ears. I love music biogs but have never bothered to read any about Pink Floyd. They just don't seem that interesting to me, except in terms of the times they lived through. I don't know much about Barrett except that, like a few others from that era, he was profoundly damaged by all the psychedelics that he took. I expect the rest of the group felt both sorry for him and guilty about having to force him out of the group. He was their friend after all. You are the only person I know to have made the woman beating claims. Not saying it's inaccurate. I'm sure you know your Floydian onions but it doesn't come up in online searches which is unusual for such an unpleasant action by such a high profile individual. One return that did come up was... 10 songs to prove Pink Floyd founder Syd Barrett was a genius... faroutmagazine.co.uk/syd-barrett-pink-floyd-10-best-songs-genius/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 16:09:14 GMT
The music is just personal taste.
As for the domestic abuse? It's well documented in 'Lost in the Woods'-Syd Barrett and the Pink Floyd by Julian Palacious.
I didn't invent it just because I didn't like Barrett's tuneless mince.
It actually adds to the smashing of the myth that he was a 'musical genius'.
He was just a selfish drug taker.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 14, 2021 16:17:42 GMT
Thanks Rogue
So what this ongoing abuse, or sporadic, or a one off? What was the context? Was it one person, or a number of different people who were victims?
I don't think he was a genius but he could write an interesting and original pop song.
Selfish? Maybe. I can't comment.
He seemed very well liked as I understand it, especially by his bandmates
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 16:21:49 GMT
The abuse varies.
He did it openly to his girlfriends, sometimes in a room where he spent days taking drugs.
The accounts in the book are made by the victims themselves and other people who were present.
I don't see what 'context' has to do with anything.
You either believe these accounts or you don't.
I believe Barrett was unhinged and selfish enough to be an abuser.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 14, 2021 17:13:20 GMT
I don't disbelieve it but queried it because I have not found any reference to it online
It's cuntish behaviour
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 18:06:59 GMT
Well, why don't you buy the book and read it?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 14, 2021 18:13:59 GMT
For the reason I mentioned earlier. I have no interest in Pink Floyd's music, plus they all seem quite boring
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 18:47:56 GMT
The book is more about Barrett.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 14, 2021 19:26:19 GMT
The reviews are pretty mixed.
I'm just not sufficiently interested, even in Syd era Floyd to be bothered.
One of the most positive Amazon reviews from 2002 states...
Lost in the Woods is a really sad story. Not just for Floyd fans who lost all of the potential that Syd's music held, but for his family and close friends who lost a genuinely unique, loving person. The book is fascinating, delving deep into the life of Roger "Syd" Barrett while chronicaling his rapid descent into madness due to a combination of the pressures of being a "pop" star and the consumption of mass quantities of LSD. "Syd blew his mind", a line from this book is probably the easiest way to sum up his tragedy, but that is way too easy to swallow. The author examines various external pressures Syd faced such as the having to come up with new "hit" 45's for radio play and dealing with a record business which he loathed. Syd's first love was art, he began as an artist and remains an artist to this day. Music took hold of Syd's life in the early sixties, stole his mind and left him by the mid 70's. Always putting the aspect of music as art first Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd broke new ground in music. As Syd to this day remains a recluse, I found it very refreshing that the author as well as Barrett's nephew URGE all fans to not try to contact Syd in any way, as he goes into deep depressions when reminded of the Floyd in anyway. Syd Barrett made spontaneous music in the sixties that was groundbreaking, he rarely if ever played the same song in the same way twice. It is somewhat fitting that now Roger Barrett still in someways is the same person, as he destroys every piece of art that he produces once it is finished. Syd is still in the body of Roger Barrett but his mind remains lost in the woods.
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Post by stu77 on Feb 14, 2021 19:50:26 GMT
I found it very hard to get through, in fact I didn't finish it , a very dull read.
I don't remember anything about abusing his partners.
Best book about Syd is A Very Irregular Head. Or Crazy Diamond if you want a quicker read.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Feb 14, 2021 21:06:23 GMT
I found it very hard to get through, in fact I didn't finish it , a very dull read. I don't remember anything about abusing his partners. Best book about Syd is A Very Irregular Head. Or Crazy Diamond if you want a quicker read. Thanks Stu |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 21:20:34 GMT
If in doubt-read the book.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 21:47:29 GMT
See also'Pigs Might Fly-The Inside Story of Pink Floyd' by Mark Blake.
Where Barrett apparently bludgeoned his girlfriend's head off the floor.
This is but one instance in a series according to the interviews conducted by Blake.
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Post by politician2 on Feb 14, 2021 22:12:52 GMT
What was political about Animals? I only know it very superficially It's a concept album dividing society into three types of animal: the ruthless and ambitious dogs, who divide and rule the other two classes; the middle-class and socially conservative pigs; and the gullible and easily-led proletarian sheep. The album contains a song dedicated to each, with some extremely literate and very vicious lyrics, especially on "Pigs". The suite ends with the sheep overthrowing the dogs, and – in an echo of Animal Farm – turning into equally ruthless leaders themselves: Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air You'd better watch out There may be dogs about I've looked over Jordan, and I have seen Things are not what they seem What do you get for pretending the danger's not real? Meek and obedient, you follow the leader Down well-trodden corridors into the valley of steel What a surprise! A look of terminal shock in your eyes Now things are really what they seem No, this is no bad dream The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want He makes me down to lie Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by With bright knives He releaseth my soul He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places He converteth me to lamb cutlets For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger When cometh the day we lowly ones Through quiet reflection, and great dedication Master the art of karate Lo, we shall rise up And then we'll make the bugger's eyes water Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream Wave upon wave of demented avengers March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream Have you heard the news? The dogs are dead! You'd better stay home And do as you're told Get out of the road if you want to grow old |
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