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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 6, 2020 9:19:44 GMT
...don't worry, he'll be along in a moment, he's just recharging his Flame thrower.  I reckon Sham 69 actually got better as they went along. Yes, Mr Pursey's bellowing could get a bit much sometimes, but their later albums had some classie tracks. This is a great cover of the Yardbirds classic and shows how overlooked Dave Parsons is as a guitar player... This is wild talk Andy - though I love you for it As I've said elsewhere... Borstal Boy / Red London / Ultster Boy all hit the spot for me And I even quite liked the first album I saw them a few times back in the day but with so many skinheads it was often a bit lively I lost interest when Hurry Up Harry and Hersham Boys were troubling the charts Which later albums would you say are worthy of investigation Andy? |
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Post by andyloneshark on Aug 6, 2020 10:03:52 GMT
...i have been listening to the last two, before Jimmy Pursey went solo, quite alot lately.
This is from the "Adventures Of The Hersham Boys" album
(...and YES i know ...The Boomtown Rats recorded a song with the same name back in 1977)
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Post by zeopold on Aug 6, 2020 10:20:03 GMT
A worthless group who dumbed down the movement
As some wag in the music press said at the time, 'There must have been a strong wind the day they heard the Bow Bells in Surrey'
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Post by andyloneshark on Aug 6, 2020 10:56:30 GMT
A worthless group who dumbed down the movement As some wag in the music press said at the time, 'There must have been a strong wind the day they heard the Bow Bells in Surrey' ..no more, or no less than The Cockney Rejects, then? A band who you like the odd tune or two by. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:13:29 GMT
The first two albums are quite boring but I always liked the Angel's with Dirty Faces single.
However, they never bettered'No Entry'(the B Side of Hurry up Harry).
Pursey's best vocals too. Steve Jones recollections of Pursey are hilarious, Jones said he would break into tears at the drop of a hat and was always looking for a cuddle🤣
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Post by zeopold on Aug 6, 2020 12:24:40 GMT
A worthless group who dumbed down the movement As some wag in the music press said at the time, 'There must have been a strong wind the day they heard the Bow Bells in Surrey' ..no more, or no less than The Cockney Rejects, then? A band who you like the odd tune or two by. The Cockney Rejects actually were from the East End and were the real deal, stood up to racists too  |
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Post by zeopold on Aug 6, 2020 12:29:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:30:36 GMT
The Rejects first 3 singles were brilliant and they had a great Pistols inspired guitar sound.
The albums however...I think they regretted all the football stuff though as a lot of the time they got stupid football hooligans coming to the gigs looking for a fight(which they got)
Stinky's book is a good book but it left me bemused in places😕
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 6, 2020 12:34:33 GMT
The Cockney Rejects actually were from the East End and were the real deal, stood up to racists too It's our old friend... ..authenticity Breaking news: In 1971 David Bowie wasn't actually a bisexual alien rock star sent to Earth as a saviour prior to an impending apocalyptic disaster  |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 6, 2020 12:45:04 GMT
PS: Standing up to racists was something Sham were not very good at
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Post by andyloneshark on Aug 6, 2020 14:33:52 GMT
Sham 69 were the 'Canary in the coal mine' in terms of what followed. No one would have ever even heard of the Cockney Rejects if Sham 69 hadn't existed. And Sham didn't have a 'Firm' of football hooligan mates to steam in, when violence kicked off at their gigs like the Rejects did. I don't claim to be a huge fan of Sham... just like some of their songs... like them way more of them than Cockney Rejects who seemed to revel in the aggro they inflamed. And the whole 'authenticity' thing is a can of worms you can point any SO many bands or band members. If Lydon and Malcolm McClaren hadn't enter the frame, would the rest of the Pistols have progressed beyond a few 60s covers, like "Build Me Up Buttercup"?  Likewise The Clash and Bernie Rhodes influence on them... etc ...etc |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 6, 2020 15:05:25 GMT
Esactly PU
Popular music and pop stars are all about artifice.
The "street" and Year Zero aspects of punk meant a lot of people had to hide their unpunky pasts
Ludicrous really, but that was the narrative at that particular time
Many of the original punks were as much about the fashion side of punk as the music. The initial explosion inspired all kinds of mavericks and oddballs to try and do something, and there was a real anything goes vibe.
Once the mainstream media got hold of it (post Grundy) it became very codeified and almost restricted. It then became a bit identikit.
The creativity was either within very limited paramaters, or into newer areas (what we now label post punk - e.g. Postcard, Synth, Industrial, Punk-funk hybrids, Goth etc etc)
What continued as punk seemed to me quite boring, although I now realise there was a bit more going on than might have met the eye of the casual observer.
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Post by andyloneshark on Aug 6, 2020 16:32:08 GMT
...um, i'm not PU ...i am A.L.S. ...Nigey@NeedsToGoToSpecSavers |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Aug 6, 2020 16:33:41 GMT
...um, i'm not PU ...i am A.L.S. ...Nigey@NeedsToGoToSpecSavers As you know I'm a specs wearer but I do usually take em off for doing stuff on screens. Sorry Andy. You are the one, the only, Andy Lone Shark It won't happen again |
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Post by johnnyoi on Aug 6, 2020 16:39:17 GMT
I liked their first 3 albums.Started to lose interest by "The Game" though.They probably tried to change direction musically,dropping the more "Oi" type songs,hoping the Nazis would go elsewhere.Anyone heard any thing by "Sham"Sham 69,the Pursey less version?At one point i think both bands were touring as Sham 69.
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