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Post by doug61 on Dec 12, 2022 15:49:28 GMT
"I'm not anti-English." Of course not, perish the thought. Provide evidence of anti-Englishness. Honestly can't tell if this is a wind up, calling a side that constantly makes the last 8 and is viewed that way in all rankings, and even more importantly, and completely unbiased, from a worldwide betting point of view, a "3rd tier" side either shows you have no understanding of football or are ridiculously biased against the English. You can pick which one, but the bookmakers never set odds because they like or dislike teams, they do it based on probability and form and results, you are just looking for any way to bend facts to put down a country you have a problem with.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 15:56:55 GMT
Provide evidence of anti-Englishness. Honestly can't tell if this is a wind up, calling a side that constantly makes the last 8 and is viewed that way in all rankings, and even more importantly, and completely unbiased, from a worldwide betting point of view, a "3rd tier" side either shows you have no understanding of football or are ridiculously biased against the English. You can pick which one, but the bookmakers never set odds because they like or dislike teams, they do it based on probability and form and results, you are just looking for any way to bend facts to put down a country you have a problem with. Rogue is sincere. He genuinely does not believe he is biased against England The irony is "the evidence" is there for anyone to read. This thread is a classic example And don't get rogue started on The Labour Party, New Order, Postcard Records, the West End of Glasgow, Hipsters etc etc
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 16:01:53 GMT
I give up
Do you really not understand these two words...
CURRENT FORM?
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"So what you're now saying that people support football knowing that they know that they're going to win fuck all?"
Yes. Amazing isn't it? 🤩
Your big club sense of entitlement is extraordinary
"Some wee teams are just happy to compete against the big teams"
Or, ever considered this, it's their local team, they enjoy the matchday experience and meeting up with pals, and they still go knowing they'll win nothing - that is what most fans experience every season. It may be enlived by a relegation dogfight or a flirtation with the playoffs, or maybe a cup run. Most teams have very few honours
Even in the Prem, Brighton, Palace and Fulham have never won a major trophy - makes you wonder why 25,000 + people go and watch them every home game? 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 16:07:33 GMT
Provide evidence of anti-Englishness. Honestly can't tell if this is a wind up, calling a side that constantly makes the last 8 and is viewed that way in all rankings, and even more importantly, and completely unbiased, from a worldwide betting point of view, a "3rd tier" side either shows you have no understanding of football or are ridiculously biased against the English. You can pick which one, but the bookmakers never set odds because they like or dislike teams, they do it based on probability and form and results, you are just looking for any way to bend facts to put down a country you have a problem with. So I'm anti-English because I believe the England football team are in the third tier of World Football? Am I anti Scottish or anti Irish because I believe that both football teams aren't even good enough to merit a tier? So logically, I'm anti Portugal and anti Croatia because they are Tier 3 teams too. I think somebody must have slipped you a Mickey Finn in your afternoon cocoa.👍
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 16:10:46 GMT
Honestly can't tell if this is a wind up, calling a side that constantly makes the last 8 and is viewed that way in all rankings, and even more importantly, and completely unbiased, from a worldwide betting point of view, a "3rd tier" side either shows you have no understanding of football or are ridiculously biased against the English. You can pick which one, but the bookmakers never set odds because they like or dislike teams, they do it based on probability and form and results, you are just looking for any way to bend facts to put down a country you have a problem with. Rogue is sincere. He genuinely does not believe he is biased against England The irony is "the evidence" is there for anyone to read. This thread is a classic example And don't get rogue started on The Labour Party, New Order, Postcard Records, the West End of Glasgow, Hipsters etc etc Wow, you remembered all that just because of a football discussion? 👍😄 You must be the only person who believes failure makes a team 'one of the best in the world' At least I can argue from a position of facts. Or do you dispute these facts? Hilarious....keep them coming👍
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 16:14:09 GMT
I give up Do you really not understand these two words... CURRENT FORM?* "So what you're now saying that people support football knowing that they know that they're going to win fuck all?"Yes. Amazing isn't it? 🤩 Your big club sense of entitlement is extraordinary "Some wee teams are just happy to compete against the big teams"Or, ever considered this, it's their local team, they enjoy the matchday experience and meeting up with pals, and they still go knowing they'll win nothing - that is what most fans experience every season. It may be enlived by a relegation dogfight or a flirtation with the playoffs, or maybe a cup run. Most teams have very few honours Even in the Prem, Brighton, Palace and Fulham have never won a major trophy - makes you wonder why 25,000 + people go and watch them every home game? 🙄 I agree with you. I know a couple of Thistle fans but even that team has won a few trophies in their time 😃 As for the 'current form'? England were just knocked out of the World Cup on Saturday there. That's as 'current' as you can get is it not?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 16:27:02 GMT
Exactly right, England made the last 8 of the competition so, on "current form", they are in the top 8 countries in the world
By all accounts it was a tight game against France and, on another day, they could have won and we wouldn't be having this discussion
#finemargins
In 2018, they made the last four, and in the Euros they made the last two
Their current form is very good and is why they are ranked higher than, for example, Germany
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 16:27:47 GMT
So when they didn't get to World Cup finals, what were they then?
Football is built on success not continuous and monotonous failure.
If it isn't, what was the point of winning in 1966?
Just to take part?!
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 16:28:36 GMT
So when they didn't get to World Cup finals, what were they then? Crap
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 17:13:46 GMT
And just one more thing.😃
If Morroco get beat by Croatia does that make them the third or fourth best team in the world even though their FIFA ranking is 22?😃
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Post by andyloneshark on Dec 12, 2022 17:38:41 GMT
I hope Southgate decides to stay, he's done alot to transform and motivate the England team and chooses his words when dealing with the cynical media, with calm wisdom. I know very little about football these days, but even i remember ...it wasn't that long ago, we could even beat a part-time team of Icelandic Dentists!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 17:51:53 GMT
I've just had a wee look at Gareth Southgate's potential replacements.
Eddie Howe Brendan Rodgers Wayne Rooney Steven Gerrard even....
People are too rash in trying to rinse Southgate.
Blame Kane for sky rocketing the penalty!!
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 17:52:29 GMT
I hope Southgate decides to stay, he's done alot to transform and motivate the England team and chooses his words when dealing with the cynical media, with calm wisdom. I know very little about football these days, but even i remember ...it wasn't that long ago, we could even beat a part-time team of Icelandic Dentists! I agree to an extent Andy He has overseen the best run of form in the team's recent history He's a humble and likable figure and a great ambassador I do find his innate caution frustrating giving the talent he has at his disposal Perhaps it's a case of be careful what you wish for, but I can't help but feel it's time to let someone else have a go, but I doubt that's what will happen. I suspect he'll stick around. There are no obvious available replacements - and the names that come up are probably all happy in their club roles Club football is a lot more interesting than international football for a young and hungry coach
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 17:53:32 GMT
I've just had a wee look at Gareth Southgate's potential replacements. Eddie Howe Brendan Rodgers Wayne Rooney Steven Gerrard even.... People are too rash in trying to rinse Southgate. Blame Kane for sky rocketing the penalty!! Graham Potter and Eddie Howe would top my list Both excellent, but as I just commented to Andy, why would they leave Chelsea and Newcastle for England? Just not going to happen
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Dec 12, 2022 17:54:02 GMT
And just one more thing.😃 If Morroco get beat by Croatia does that make them the third or fourth best team in the world even though their FIFA ranking is 22?😃 Of course not However it will boost their ranking significantly As you probably know, the FIFA rankings are far more nuanced than that, which is why they are widely used to assess a national team's CURRENT FORM - and over time their form trajectory Croatia’s failure to qualify for the Euros accounts for their current ranking of 16th despite the excellent 2018 WC performance Points are added/subtracted to/from the previous point total following each result The points which are added or subtracted are partially determined by the relative strength of the two opponents, including the logical expectation that teams higher in the ranking should fare better against teams lower in the ranking It’s all here if you’re interested… digitalhub.fifa.com/m/f99da4f73212220/original/edbm045h0udbwkqew35a-pdf.pdf I realise it suits your inbuilt bias against England to dismiss the FIFA rankings but you have yet to satisfactorily explain what it is about this measure that you have an issue with It is a fair and objective way of measuring CURRENT FORM, which is what we have been discussing for pages now CURRENT FORM as distinct from historical success over previous decades (esp when using your very narrow measure of actual tournament wins which ignores all other tournament participants except the winner)
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