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Post by zeopold on Sept 9, 2020 17:08:55 GMT
Did you have the black nail varnish by then and the black skinny Jean's?🤣😂 I guess this would have been around the time you were saving up for your first Matt Belgrano souvenir glue bag
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 18:23:29 GMT
Did you have the black nail varnish by then and the black skinny Jean's?🤣😂 I guess this would have been around the time you were saving up for your first Matt Belgrano souvenir glue bag I take it that's a yes then?😎👍
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 9, 2020 18:29:00 GMT
Did you have the black nail varnish by then and the black skinny Jean's?🤣😂 Have you got a downer on the Goth look/scene rogue? A strong look. Some of those Goth women were flipping gorgeous. I never went down that road myself but there were some great looking people down at The Batcave - and the music was excellent What's your view rogue?
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Post by zeopold on Sept 9, 2020 18:50:35 GMT
Back on topic, another floor filler from a golden age
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 18:54:59 GMT
On Goth women?
Depends on the woman!😎
On Goth music?Largely doesn't interest me as it borders on vacuous fadism.
The Damned and Siouxsie obviously had a goth tinge but they were always punk to me.
As the Batcavers, shower of posers and people who were too shallow to be real punks(a bit like the 'new wavers')
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 9, 2020 19:06:07 GMT
As the Batcavers, shower of posers and people who were too shallow to be real punks (a bit like the 'new wavers') Did you go there? Or are your perceptions based on what you've read etc? I'm interested that in your hierarchy real punks are inherently superior to new wavers and posers How would you define a "real punk"?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 9, 2020 19:16:22 GMT
Taken at The Batcave. I went out with one of these women for over a year
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Post by zeopold on Sept 9, 2020 20:02:43 GMT
Taken at The Batcave. I went out with one of these women for over a year Was that Dean St? I missed out on the early days, I went a few times later on when it was at Fouberts off Carnaby St.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 21:24:12 GMT
As the Batcavers, shower of posers and people who were too shallow to be real punks (a bit like the 'new wavers') Did you go there? Or are your perceptions based on what you've read etc? I'm interested that in your hierarchy real punks are inherently superior to new wavers and posers How would you define a "real punk"? Why would I want to a visit a vacuous clique? The Batcave scene is and was well documented. Like New Romantics it reeked of insularness and self indulgence. Music for the 80's Thatcher generation. Real punk is for punks who actually gave a fuck about people and what happened in the world. The posers were only interested in fashion and themselves. Like all gullible fashion victims, they remain a footnote in punks history if you wanted to trace back any dubious lineage to them.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 10, 2020 5:35:49 GMT
Thanks. Interesting definition
Quite nebulous though.
Most people cannot be so neatly pidgeon holed
Appearances are often very deceptive
Some fashion orientated punks/new romantic/goths etc undoubtedly did give a fuck about others
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 6:48:33 GMT
Who and when?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 10, 2020 8:06:40 GMT
Real punk is for punks who actually gave a fuck about people and what happened in the world. The posers were only interested in fashion and themselves Mulling this question further, and as a parent of two teenage kids, it's obvious and well documented that with all the life & hormonal changes, the teenage years are characterised by uncertainty, self absorbtion, insecurity, seeking identities, seeking to break from parents/authority figures etc etc I also volunteer with a youth group In my experience many teens, maybe most, are preoccupied with having a good time, experimentation, and their peers. Political and community engagement, where it exists, is more broadbrush than practical Point I'm trying to make it that young people typically want to go out and have a laugh. Or, as The Tams so memorably put it... Be Young Be Foolish Be Happy (1968)...and to put it another way, courtesy of the fantastic Fast Cars... The kids just wanna dance (1979)So yeah, to a large extent Rogue's assertion The posers were only interested in fashion and themselves is probably true But that's what teens do As for "real punks"... Real punk is for punks who actually gave a fuck about people and what happened in the world. I'll accept that definition though I'm not so sure how many actually fell into that category
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Post by zeopold on Sept 10, 2020 8:16:50 GMT
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 10, 2020 8:38:53 GMT
"You are all individuals" "We are all individuals" "I'm not"
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Post by andyloneshark on Sept 10, 2020 9:18:55 GMT
...i was recently chatting to a drummer friend in a local band, who must be at least 25+ years younger than me, about teenage fashion/youth culture and he very wisely pointed out that in the digital age, with the click of a few buttons, you can pass yourself off as anything. Street fashion over the last 50 years has been plundered for ideas, to be commodified - anything can be bought... even a designer 'CrustPunk Couch' for $4000
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