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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 6, 2021 11:36:02 GMT
Can we finally get round to renaming this site TalkNazi now. Why not, now we don't have to hide our true colours? Then again, it could be a trap
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Post by politician2 on Nov 6, 2021 12:20:58 GMT
I'll be sorry to see you go if you don't reconsider, Roguey. We've had some good debates and a lot of laughs over the last decade-and-a-bit.
However, I think you need to recognise that your opinions are quite polarising and that if you take the stance that people fall into two categories – those who hold the same opinions as you and full-blown Nazis – you're going to get some pushback and people are going to press you to explain yourself. That isn't trolling. That's people who don't know you as well as Lord E, PU, Zeo and the other TP "old timers" being astonished at your sui generis worldview and expecting you to explain yourself and clarify things for them. Some of the newer posters have appeared genuinely astounded at some of your statements, and I can understand why.
It's also pretty reductionist to argue that everybody whose politics are to the right of yours is right-wing – let alone fascistic. Most people on here are left-of-centre; they're just not as left-wing – let alone as ideologically purist – are you are. Your brand of politics has always struck me as, for want of a better term, purely theoretical – I just don't see how it will gain any traction in the real world, where most issues encompass endless shades of grey rather than being black-and-white.
That said, the great thing about TP is that it's a broad church and you can express virtually any opinion here without being marginalised, ridiculed or piled-upon. I can be the board's sole right-winger and you can be the sole old-school communist and we can still enjoy great, respectful debates on all kinds of topics. But if you're going to take an outlier position on any board, there will be some good-natured ribbing and people will press you to clarify and defend your positions. To expect anything less would be completely unrealistic, and it wouldn't make for a very stimulating environment either.
Best of luck to you, whatever you decide to do. Maybe you could consider a middle course where you continue to participate in the community but focus more on the music-based discussions? There's something for almost everyone here, and it's a welcome antidote to the posturing keyboard warriors who populate so many groups on Facebook.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 6, 2021 14:47:49 GMT
Very articulate Pol
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Post by smogquixote on Nov 20, 2021 20:08:32 GMT
I miss him so much
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 20, 2021 22:12:34 GMT
He’ll be back at some point
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Post by Billy Idle on Nov 21, 2021 12:49:36 GMT
I still don 't know for sure if he was for real .
Were his posts here are a true reflection of his personality and attitudes ?
I reckon come the summer hes down at the Edinburgh Festival doing an Alan Parker Urban Warrior type routine .
And he called me a troll ? Cheeky bastard .
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Post by Billy Idle on Dec 8, 2021 11:19:35 GMT
finally the question is answered ....
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 16, 2024 13:06:25 GMT
Andy Blade stirring the pot...
"The aftermath of the punk rock explosion of 1977 was a confusing time for the original fans who had been inspired by the Sex Pistols. We knew the worth of this band as figureheads and as innovators, because they were so individually unique. They were exciting. You didn't have to pretend. No emperor's new clothes. No gas-lighting. They stood head and shoulders above the copycat, tabloid punk bands that began popping up in their wake, precisely because they were so out on a limb. They demanded your respect - and they got it. A-Z punk bands such as UK Subs & Sham 69, like their fans that popped up with them, could never have understood - even if they had the capacity to. Had they been around in the beginning, they could never have appealed to the original scenesters - because it was glaringly obvious they were grifters. But grifters don't care about things like that. Grifters have very thick skin, and anyway, they came complete with their own generic brand of tabloid punk fan who would also have been unable to discern between the nuanced Sex Pistols and their stodgy safety pin adorned copycats. The everyday bloke-iness of the Charlie Harper's & Jimmy Pursey's of this world were much easier to relate to than the spiky intellectualism of Lydon or McLaren.
The A-Z punk bands (like the US 'punk' bands that sprang up in the 80's) were appealing to the general public in the same way that only common denominators can appeal en masse. A generic cheaper version that did not require any analysis or cerebral gymnastics. Why complicate things with shade or subtlety when you can boil it all down to the vulgarity of partisan politicking - Left versus Right?"
Secret Life 2024
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Post by personunknown on Jan 16, 2024 13:56:10 GMT
It's very valid comment. Little acknowledgement for the acerbic brilliant lyrics of The Adverts Great British Mistake yet Hurry Up Harry went top ten. As for the UK Subs, what can I say? Charlie's a lovely bloke and his band ploughed a much needed furrow.
I'm going out on a limb here and I'm saying a lot of the punks post 78 were not the brightest. Compare the 76/77 bands with the diversity of the Slits, Subway Sect and even the Desperate Bicycles, intelligent, pushing boundaries. By 1980 it was pretty identikit studded leather jacket with (lets be honest) risible lyrics.
Andy Blade should be held in high esteem for what he achieved with a still at school band and his later clever crafted solo albums. The fact that he isn't speaks volumes about how people perceive music.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Jan 17, 2024 10:03:00 GMT
All great points PU
The scene changed completely once it went overground and the handful of originals would, of course, have looked askance
Despite all being bracketed as "Punk" there's a world of difference between The Slits & Subway Sect compared with, say, The Exploited etc
But that's what happens as a trend spreads -the original Modernists felt exactly the same about the Parka clad mobs running around a few years after the birth of the original, elitist scene
Good point about Andy's achievements. It really was quite something to have done so much whilst still at school. His book is great and I enjoyed rereading it in the new expanded edition
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