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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 16, 2020 17:42:45 GMT
Same answer again. If they were all starving, and it was the only food available, then my sadness would be as much about their predicament, as the death of the dog or the cat or whatever.
Plants, nuts, legumes, rice etc are available pretty much anywhere and form the basic diet for most people, especially those in less developed places.
It's in the developed world, where industrialised and heavily subsidised meat and dairy production, makes these products so cheap. It's also where you find the heighest incidence of cancer, strokes, diabetes, heart attacks etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 18:35:03 GMT
So as a white man you would deny indigenous people their right to hunt 'unless' they were starving'because they can eat beans and roots?
Who are you to tell people what to eat and that their culture is wrong for doing so?
You're right about western culture and its treatment of animals as a global commodity and I would never shed any tears for a McDonald's which was accidentally torched.
However, western societies treat humans in the same way.
As fodder.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 16, 2020 18:39:14 GMT
I would not tell anyone what they can or can't eat.
Re indigenous peoples: I am just pointing out that meat is not a big part of their diet in the places I know about
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Post by zeopold on Sept 16, 2020 18:50:22 GMT
If they were all starving, and it was the only food available, then my sadness would be as much about their predicament, as the death of the dog or the cat or whatever. Plants, nuts, legumes, rice etc are available pretty much anywhere and form the basic diet for most people, especially those in less developed places. It's in the developed world, where industrialised and heavily subsidised meat and dairy production, makes these products so cheap. It's also where you find the heighest incidence of cancer, strokes, diabetes, heart attacks etc etc. Indigenous people often prey on animals. It's an efficient way to obtain protein along with other useful by-products essential for survival. I wouldn't say I'd be sad about these peoples' predicament, they are just leading a simple life. In the developed world we're fortunate in that we can get meat, or ethical alternatives easily in the shops. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 19:02:58 GMT
I would not tell anyone what they can or can't eat. Re indigenous peoples: I am just pointing out that meat is not a big part of their diet in the places I know about What about the Inuit and Yupik peoples? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 19:03:52 GMT
If they were all starving, and it was the only food available, then my sadness would be as much about their predicament, as the death of the dog or the cat or whatever. Plants, nuts, legumes, rice etc are available pretty much anywhere and form the basic diet for most people, especially those in less developed places. It's in the developed world, where industrialised and heavily subsidised meat and dairy production, makes these products so cheap. It's also where you find the heighest incidence of cancer, strokes, diabetes, heart attacks etc etc. Indigenous people often prey on animals. It's an efficient way to obtain protein along with other useful by-products essential for survival. I wouldn't say I'd be sad about these peoples' predicament, they are just leading a simple life. In the developed world we're fortunate in that we can get meat, or ethical alternatives easily in the shops. I would agree with most of that, it's a common view. |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 16, 2020 19:03:58 GMT
They can eat what they like
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 16, 2020 19:08:23 GMT
As I understand it for most indigenous people meat is a small part of a diet usually rich in plants, nuts, beans etc. Hence why they don't suffer from the diseases which tend to kill us. They are more likely to die of illness though due to a lack of medical care. The healthiest and longest lived people on the planet (e.g. Okinawans in Japan who often live to be 100) eat mainly plants.
It's also the diet that will help stop climate change. Those cultures who have traditionally eaten meat can do what they want. It's in the developed world where huge subsidies are causing meat and dairy to be so cheap, and our contributing to pandemics, and climate change, where we need urgent change.
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Post by zeopold on Sept 16, 2020 19:15:45 GMT
....subsidies are causing meat and dairy to be so cheap.... Never mind subsidies, tax it hard, like other unhealthy products such as tobacco and alcohol |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 19:52:57 GMT
As I understand it for most indigenous people meat is a small part of a diet usually rich in plants, nuts, beans etc. Hence why they don't suffer from the diseases which tend to kill us. They are more likely to die of illness though due to a lack of medical care. The healthiest and longest lived people on the planet (e.g. Okinawans in Japan who often live to be 100) eat mainly plants. It's also the diet that will help stop climate change. Those cultures who have traditionally eaten meat can do what they want. It's in the developed world where huge subsidies are causing meat and dairy to be so cheap, and our contributing to pandemics, and climate change, where we need urgent change. Abstaining from meat and dairy products won't crush capitalism or injustice however morally correct it is. |
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Post by zeopold on Sept 16, 2020 20:02:05 GMT
As I understand it for most indigenous people meat is a small part of a diet usually rich in plants, nuts, beans etc. Hence why they don't suffer from the diseases which tend to kill us. They are more likely to die of illness though due to a lack of medical care. The healthiest and longest lived people on the planet (e.g. Okinawans in Japan who often live to be 100) eat mainly plants. It's also the diet that will help stop climate change. Those cultures who have traditionally eaten meat can do what they want. It's in the developed world where huge subsidies are causing meat and dairy to be so cheap, and our contributing to pandemics, and climate change, where we need urgent change. Abstaining from meat and dairy products won't crush capitalism or injustice however morally correct it is. Time for plan B... clue us in, sensei |
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 16, 2020 20:44:26 GMT
I’m more interested in sustainability and equality
Also interested in Plan B too though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 21:02:09 GMT
So the solution to world hunger and the unethical treatment of animals is £4 vegan steak bakes from Gregg's?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 17, 2020 5:57:01 GMT
We grow enough food to feed everyone on the planet
The solution to world hunger is NOT using 80% of all crops grown to feel livestock which are a massive contributor to global warming
The solution to world hunger is to eat mainly plants
Fake meats are a nice-to-have for those privileged Westerners who cannot live without something that has the texture of meat having just changed their diet
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Post by jsm on Sept 17, 2020 6:11:35 GMT
Tofu and tempe have been around for centuries and form a major part of the diet for many poor people in Asia. Fortunately for me, there are plenty of people making that sort of food where I live.
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