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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 11:48:10 GMT
What do you mean by solid political content? Ideologically driven with a goal and a purpose. Not a mish mish of competing ideologies. Ie. A person driven by abstaining from meat. There has to more than your own subjectivity.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 13, 2021 11:49:16 GMT
Many years ago I recall being impressed by a quote (in of all things, a Crass pamphlet) that the way you live your life is a political statement, which is particularly relevant to vegetarianism. I err more towards the Crass view The personal is the political Any gesture helps That said, as Billy says, major change only happened when people come together which is maybe what Rogue is also saying?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 13, 2021 11:52:25 GMT
What do you mean by solid political content? Ideologically driven with a goal and a purpose. Not a mish mish of competing ideologies. Ie. A person driven by abstaining from meat. There has to more than your own subjectivity. So you are saying that any personal choice like a dietary choice can only bring change if it is part of a broader political ideology? Is that one of the big isms? Or could say a group of anti hunters bring change like the hunt sabs attempted? And maybe even succeeded?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 11:59:42 GMT
Ideologically driven with a goal and a purpose. Not a mish mish of competing ideologies. Ie. A person driven by abstaining from meat. There has to more than your own subjectivity. So you are saying that any personal choice like a dietary choice can only bring change if it is part of a broader political ideology? Is that one of the big isms? Or could say a group of anti hunters bring change like the hunt sabs attempted? And maybe even succeeded? Vegans and vegetarians driven by their dietary choices will never bring about change. The majority of people will continue to eat meat. That's not to say that they can't lobby within any progressive movement. The problem is that being a vegetarian/vegan doesn't necessarily make you politically progressive. As for direct action like hunt stabbing? I would say that definitely affects change. From my experience, I would say a lot of hunt Sabs definitely had a class consciousness.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Oct 13, 2021 12:40:09 GMT
But what about the broader political ideology part of the question?
I'm clear you don't think a personal choice makes any difference in the grand scheme of things (not convinced, but that's by the by)
I'm interested in what you mean by "solid political content"? Are you talking about being an activist for a political party or political movement? Or could it work as an issue-specific movement? For example, what Insulate Britain are currently doing?
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Post by zeopold on Oct 13, 2021 13:51:39 GMT
What do you mean by solid political content? There has to more than your own subjectivity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:54:37 GMT
But what about the broader political ideology part of the question? I'm clear you don't think a personal choice makes any difference in the grand scheme of things (not convinced, but that's by the by) I'm interested in what you mean by "solid political content"? Are you talking about being an activist for a political party or political movement? Or could it work as an issue-specific movement? For example, what Insulate Britain are currently doing? Seeing as I'm a Republican socialist ideologically I think progressive ideas stand more chance of becoming law in a decent society than the one we have just now. Single issues never change society. They can oppose it and I hope Extinction Rebellion make an impact when this COP 26 nonsense starts here at the end of the month. However, to get any real lasting change things are going to get a lot worse before they will get better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:55:18 GMT
There has to more than your own subjectivity. You're confusing subjectivity with responsibility.
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Post by Billy Idle on Nov 3, 2021 8:26:16 GMT
But what about the broader political ideology part of the question? I'm clear you don't think a personal choice makes any difference in the grand scheme of things (not convinced, but that's by the by) I'm interested in what you mean by "solid political content"? Are you talking about being an activist for a political party or political movement? Or could it work as an issue-specific movement? For example, what Insulate Britain are currently doing? Seeing as I'm a Republican socialist ideologically I think progressive ideas stand more chance of becoming law in a decent society than the one we have just now. Single issues never change society. They can oppose it and I hope Extinction Rebellion make an impact when this COP 26 nonsense starts here at the end of the month. However, to get any real lasting change things are going to get a lot worse before they will get better. Interesting question from LE which you 've not answered . What do you mean by broader political ideology ? Why is it impoortant for that to be part of the package ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 13:23:40 GMT
Trolls like the above poster are one of the reasons I've decided to conclude posting on here.
After 13 years of being an active participant in both the old forum and the new one I think it's about time to leave this site firmly where it belongs....in the past.
Recently, the so called political debates have degenerated into a back slapping cabal of nazi punks defending other nazi punks against anyone who is prepared to give an alternative view to their bizarre Londoncentric revisionist experiences.
A once interesting place to post Talkpunk has just became a dwindling clique of right wing middle class gimps arguing over who has the right to fuck them over.
The irony of the above post says it all. The posers seems to have earned themselves a hard earned victory over a silly version of their own supposed past and they're welcome to it🤣👍
And finally to all the decent posters like Stu, Smog, Andy Lone Shark, DM, Old Punk, Loz and Person Unknown....cheers for your time over the years👍👌☘
Cheers
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 4, 2021 14:58:43 GMT
Farewell old chum After 13 years of being an active participant in both the old forum and the new one I think it's about time to leave this site firmly where it belongs....in the past. I have mixed feelings about the site The reason it has declined is because of alternative places, most especially Facebook, but for those who either don't do FB, or are wary of exposing too much of themselves on that platform, it's good to have alternatives and we tick along so I think, on balance it's worth persisting with Recently, the so called political debates have degenerated into a back slapping cabal of nazi punks defending other nazi punks against anyone who is prepared to give an alternative view to their bizarre Londoncentric revisionist experiences. I doubt anyone but you sees the debates in those terms A once interesting place to post Talkpunk has just became a dwindling clique of right wing middle class gimps arguing over who has the right to fuck them over. Hmmmm, and yet that "dwindling clique" includes.... And finally to all the decent posters like Stu, Smog, Andy Lone Shark, DM, Old Punk, Loz and Person Unknown....cheers for your time over the years👍👌☘ Agreed they are decent people. I've yet to meet anyone from this forum or the old one who was anything less than generous, decent and great company, and I've met quite a few over the years. A pleasure to know you all.
All the best to you Rogue
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Post by Billy Idle on Nov 5, 2021 11:24:33 GMT
Hes gone has he ? Sorry to see him go . He livens things up . Troll ? Not sure what thats all about ?
Cabals ? Nazi punks ? Gimps ? Dearie me . Fings aint what they used to be .
So he was for real ? Amazing lack of self awareness !
Keep em peeled Roguey . Theres racists behind every corner .
Hope to see you again when youve had time to reflect .
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Post by doug61 on Nov 5, 2021 13:58:04 GMT
I think that everyone has the right to how they view things in society. Being accused of having "NF" opinions because I didn't support a completely open door policy on immigration was frankly an upsetting accusation to someone who fought the NF in Welling in the 1970's. Debate has to be carried out respectfully, and name calling and insulting anyone who holds a different opinion from you is intimidating and offensive. I think there is a distinct lack of self awareness when someone who persistently makes anti English and anti London remarks constantly throws accusations of racism at those who have made no "race" remarks but instead thinks everyone should be treated the same as regards immigration. Sometimes, as with the "Momentum" faction in The Labour Party, what once were good strong socialist views are in danger through their self indulgent "redder than thou" sanctimony, of becoming what they once hated. We see it in the "trans" debate at present as well and the rush to react and crucify people in a knee jerk race to be "right on". Hope the poster returns, seems silly to flounce off because others don't agree with you.
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Post by smogquixote on Nov 6, 2021 4:28:52 GMT
Trolls like the above poster are one of the reasons I've decided to conclude posting on here. After 13 years of being an active participant in both the old forum and the new one I think it's about time to leave this site firmly where it belongs....in the past. Recently, the so called political debates have degenerated into a back slapping cabal of nazi punks defending other nazi punks against anyone who is prepared to give an alternative view to their bizarre Londoncentric revisionist experiences. A once interesting place to post Talkpunk has just became a dwindling clique of right wing middle class gimps arguing over who has the right to fuck them over. The irony of the above post says it all. The posers seems to have earned themselves a hard earned victory over a silly version of their own supposed past and they're welcome to it🤣👍 And finally to all the decent posters like Stu, Smog, Andy Lone Shark, DM, Old Punk, Loz and Person Unknown....cheers for your time over the years👍👌☘ Cheers Genuinely sad to see you go la, all the best!
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Post by personunknown on Nov 6, 2021 9:49:08 GMT
Can we finally get round to remaining this site TalkNazi now.
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