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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 9:34:04 GMT
What a lot of rot. I and many others I knew started following them cos they championed causes we were already on board with; vegetarianism, pacifism, anti-racism, etc, etc. It certainly wasn't for the music, which was dire. I tired of them pretty quickly when they inspired a deluge of crappy cookie-cutter copy bands and their johnny-come-lately camp followers started laying down the laws of punk... newly minted vegans trying to guilt-trip me for wearing a leather jacket when I'd already been veggie for 3 years, lol Last night I was thinking about spitting and swastikas The swastika was very short lived as I remember it. A stupid early shock tactic. Siouxsie, maybe Marco, anyone else? I suppose Sid had that Viv W t shirt too. The spitting was definitely well on the wane by mid 77. Pretty sure spitting would have died out anyway, with or without Crass. Cherry picking speculation. You can tell that Crass passed you by mate as they radicalised a whole generation. Whilst you were voting for Kinnock and co, the punk scene had totally changed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 9:38:22 GMT
So what year did you get into punk? What attracted you? When did you first become aware of Crass? I certainly agree that their basic message is one any sane person should get behind Out of curiosity did they convince you to become vegetarian, or vegan? I suspect that, indirectly, they caused me to re-evaluate my food choices My older brother and his pals were into punk in 78.We were both influenced by our older cousin Maggie who was into it in 77. I had heard all the early stuff through her by 79 including Ramones Pistols, Clash, Damned etc. We bought 'Stations of the Crass' in 79 and it changed us forever. A revolutionary record that is second to none in my opinion.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 12, 2020 10:19:07 GMT
When Crass came along in 77 the real punks on masse got their message whilst the puppet punks and plastics got into Mod and started wearing mascara and blusher. A tad simplistic, but no denying Crass had an influence Zeo's take on them highlights a very different reaction despite his early enthusiasm I'm wary of "real" anything Real men Real punks etc. For many people punk was a phase. That's okay too. There's room for different reactions, different levels of commitment It's not a cult - just a youth subculture And what's wrong with wearing mascara and blusher? Is there some mild homophobia in your comments? Or do real punks / real men not wear make up?
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Post by zeopold on Sept 12, 2020 10:23:23 GMT
When Crass came along in 77 the real punks on masse got their message ...and you were around to bear witness to that?
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 12, 2020 10:39:03 GMT
You can tell that Crass passed you by mate as they radicalised a whole generation. Whilst you were voting for Kinnock and co, the punk scene had totally changed. Who were you voting for? You're right though, the punk scene had totally changed Once the tabloids started printing articles about "how to be a punk" it was over The stuff that attracted you is what turned me off I was generally more interested in the artier, poppier, more glam end of punk anyway Dressing all in black and trying to be revolutionary seemed pretty boring I can get behind a lot of the Crass message - veganism, independence, DIY - but they were a bit preachy and serious I felt then, and still feel, that the vast majority of the best punk music was released 77-80 Thankfully the original energy created all kinds of other interesting developments
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:02:14 GMT
When Crass came along in 77 the real punks on masse got their message ...and you were around to bear witness to that? Well, the ones who influenced me certainly were.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:09:29 GMT
When Crass came along in 77 the real punks on masse got their message whilst the puppet punks and plastics got into Mod and started wearing mascara and blusher. A tad simplistic, but no denying Crass had an influence Zeo's take on them highlights a very different reaction despite his early enthusiasm I'm wary of "real" anything Real men Real punks etc. For many people punk was a phase. That's okay too. There's room for different reactions, different levels of commitment It's not a cult - just a youth subculture And what's wrong with wearing mascara and blusher? Is there some mild homophobia in your comments? Or do real punks / real men not wear make up? The only person who has mentioned'real men's is you so I don't see the corelation between that and'real punk'. I couldn't give a shit if some one wears make up or not. Lots of people wear make up for lots of different reasons and people in schemes used to wear it when Bowie was at the height of his powers which was a really dangerous thing to do. It doesn't therefore make me homophobic for commenting on the posers of the Batcave scene being gullible fashion victims unless you can prove it. Not once did I infer homophobia when commenting on peoples right to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:12:11 GMT
You can tell that Crass passed you by mate as they radicalised a whole generation. Whilst you were voting for Kinnock and co, the punk scene had totally changed. Who were you voting for? You're right though, the punk scene had totally changed Once the tabloids started printing articles about "how to be a punk" it was over The stuff that attracted you is what turned me off I was generally more interested in the artier, poppier, more glam end of punk anyway Dressing all in black and trying to be revolutionary seemed pretty boring I can get behind a lot of the Crass message - veganism, independence, DIY - but they were a bit preachy and serious I felt then, and still feel, that the vast majority of the best punk music was released 77-80 Thankfully the original energy created all kinds of other interesting developments I never voted Labour as they ran Glasgow as a personal freedom where corruption was rife. Interesting that you admit voting for that scab Kinnock. As I said radical politics obviously passed you by.
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Post by zeopold on Sept 12, 2020 11:24:32 GMT
...and you were around to bear witness to that? Well, the ones who influenced me certainly were. I'll take that as a 'no', then
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 12:20:37 GMT
That doesn't bother me in the slightest. I just glad that it happened👍
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 12, 2020 12:27:47 GMT
I was wondering who you voted for in the 80s. Which party did you vote for back then?
I liked Kinnock - seemed like a decent man
If by radical politics, you mean hard left groups, then yes, it has indeed passed me by. I take an interest but am not inclined to sign up. Which groups do you think I should join?
Your crying with laughter emojis did seem to convey amusement at blokes wearing make up and, possibly, a hint of homophobia. Good to have that point clear.
Did Crass convince you to go vegan?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 9:03:13 GMT
I have never voted Labour and have voted for a few left wing parties and latterly the SNP.
Kinnock contributed to the defeat of the miners so how he could be seem to be 'decent' is a matter of an opinion.
'Hard'left groups? Unlike the hard right group you freely admit to voting for who illegally invade other countries and break international law by doing so?
Who are the real extremists?
To claim its homophobic because you have a giggle at a bunch of silly posers who look fucking stupid is a really desperate act.
Lots of people who wear make up look silly.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 13, 2020 10:12:03 GMT
Thanks Rogue
Which left wing parties did you vote for during the 80s?
What policies were you in favour of?
Were you bothered they were probably unelectable and so your vote was a token gesture?
Did Crass convince you to go vegan?
Or make any other dietary changes?
Do you share their position on animal welfare?
Which left wing groups do you think I should consider joining?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 11:13:04 GMT
Bloody Hell,this is was than the Branch😂😉
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Sept 13, 2020 14:23:39 GMT
Bloody Hell,this is was than the Branch😂😉 Special Branch? I'm curious, but if you don't want to answer then fair enough I'm very open but I understand you might be less so
You are v down on Labour, which I get, but don't offer up an alternative - what is yours? I am down on them too but, seems to me, the least worst option in a first past the post system Who would you vote for in England? The animal welfare point is something I am passionate about. I'm also v curious about which left wing groups/parties you endorse. I would go away and find out more. So I'll leave those questions hanging...
Thanks Rogue Which left wing parties did you vote for during the 80s? What policies were you in favour of? Were you bothered they were probably unelectable and so your vote was a token gesture? Did Crass convince you to go vegan? Or make any other dietary changes? Do you share their position on animal welfare? Which left wing groups do you think I should consider joining?
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